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Gurkha · #**151** 10-19-2007, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Why not? Again, let him set the rules and have him demonstrate it BY HIS RULES. That way he cannot say he was sabotaged. After that, you can refute it if there are grounds.

You say you can bench press 500#? Show me. Your gym, your equipment. Later on, assuming you do, I can weigh the weights and see whether you are cheating or not. Till you do, it is a matter of "Yes I can. No you can't, No you can't, No you can't, etc, etc"

This is not a simple matter like gym, doesn't work that way, to prove this is beyond the current realm of science, just because someone comes with a relatively rational conjecture doesn't prove it or make it the norm and whats the point anyways, would that make blacks give up academics, should they go back to the jungle then, would that make you feel superior to them, nope, it would lead to more ill feelings and attrition.

aklim · #**152** 10-19-2007, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Gurkha

This is not a simple matter like gym, doesn't work that way, to prove this is beyond the current realm of science, just because someone comes with a relatively rational conjecture doesn't prove it or make it the norm and

whats the point anyways, would that make blacks give up academics, should they go back to the jungle then, would that make you feel superior to them, nope, it would lead to more ill feelings and attrition.

Same principle. Without him having proved it on his terms, you cannot argue that he has omitted several factors which prove otherwise. As long as he is not called out on it, we can never know how he arrived at his answer, can we? Without that, there is always doubt that there is no validity. If you call him out, there might still be doubt but way less room for doubt.

So what you are afraid of is that it is true then? So I should dump my bathroom scale and forget BMI charts and say that I don't know what my BMI is and therefore we can forget about the fact that I am 5'4 and 400#? After all, if we look at that scale, it might make me feel bad about myself.

RUN ON. Makes reading harder.

Gurkha · #**153** 10-19-2007, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Same principle. Without him having proved it on his terms, you cannot argue that he has omitted several factors which prove otherwise. As long as he is not called out on it, we can never know how he arrived at his answer, can we? Without that, there is always doubt that there is no validity. If you call him out, there might still be doubt but way less room for doubt.

So what you are afraid of is that it is true then? So I should dump my bathroom scale and forget BMI charts and say that I don't know what my BMI is and therefore we can forget about the fact that I am 5'4 and 400#? After all, if we look at that scale, it might make me feel bad about myself.

RUN ON. Makes reading harder.

You say all this because it doesn't apply to you, you wouldn't be harping for the proof had it been the other way around where you and your race was at a disadvantage, this is just another way the Nazis tried to prove their superiority over all, there was a glee and an enthusiasm just like what I see in you to prove their superiority, point is it was stupid then, its stupid now even more so in today's context where people of African descent have proved beyond point that they can go with the best academics from other races. Do you deny this fact, can you deny this fact? Guess what, RUN ON is just dandy with me.

Get better eyeglasses if you are having reading problems.

aklim · #**154** 10-19-2007, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Gurkha

You say all this because it doesn't apply to you, you wouldn't be harping for the proof had it been the other way around where you and your race was at a disadvantage, this is just another way the Nazis tried to prove their superiority over all, there was a glee and an enthusiasm just like what I see in you to prove their superiority,

point is it was stupid then, its stupid now even more so in today's context where people of African descent have proved beyond point that they can go with the best academics from other races. Do you deny this fact, can you deny this fact?

Guess what, RUN ON is just dandy with me.

Get better eyeglasses if you are having reading problems.

I would. Again, my decisions are NOT, NOT, NOT based on whether I am affected or not. You might be like that but that is not how I work. Don't assign me your shortcomings. If you are not capable of being impartial either way and don't even want to try, I cannot help you. However, I maintain my best effort when it comes to trying to stay impartial. I feel it makes the best decisions as opposed to thinking of how something affects me before I make a move.

With Affirmative Action, it is hard to tell, isn't it?

My getting reading glasses don't correct YOUR lack of grammatical skills. I have 20/20 vision or so says the optometrist.

Gurkha · #**155** 10-19-2007, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

I would. Again, my decisions are NOT, NOT, NOT based on whether I am affected or not. You might be like that but that is not how I work. Don't assign me your shortcomings. If you are not capable of being impartial either way and don't even want to try, I cannot help you. However, I maintain my best effort when it comes to trying to stay impartial. I feel it makes the best decisions as opposed to thinking of how something affects me before I make a move.

With Affirmative Action, it is hard to tell, isn't it?

My getting reading glasses don't correct YOUR lack of grammatical skills. I have 20/20 vision or so says the optometrist.

And you are impartial which means you are above all of us here, thats a hoot, you are biased in every sense and its evident in every post you make here on any thread, any issue and the only reason you want this fool Watson to proclaim is idiotic theory is to make your vanity feel high, I see no other reason to get mileage from this moronic issue except to hurt a particular group of people, your agenda is quite evident here. You are a hatemonger and the only reason you wish to delve in this futile topic further is to derive a foolish sense of supremacy, part of your idiotic superiority complex in every sense.

So you are telling me that the myriads of blacks in the higher echelons of academics solely made it because of affirmative action, how ridiculous a statement is that and you call yourself impartial, you are a bitter man for sure.

By the way, its not my grammar, its your comprehension which is poor, worse than a high school dropout appearing for GED exams. Suggest you go back to school and take a refresher.

aklim · #**156** 10-19-2007, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Gurkha

And you are impartial which means you are above all of us here, thats a hoot, you are biased in every sense and its evident in every post you make here on any thread, any issue and the only reason you want this fool Watson to proclaim is idiotic theory is to make your vanity feel high, I see no other reason to get mileage from this moronic issue except to hurt a particular group of people, your agenda is quite evident here. You are a hatemonger and the only reason you wish to delve in this futile topic further is to derive a foolish sense of supremacy, part of your idiotic superiority complex in every sense.

So you are telling me that the myriads of blacks in the higher echelons of academics solely made it because of affirmative action, how ridiculous a statement is that and you call yourself impartial, you are a bitter man for sure.

By the way, its not my grammar, its your comprehension which is poor, worse than a high school dropout appearing for GED exams. Suggest you go back to school and take a refresher.

How would my vanity be affected either way? I am not white. Therefore, whatever comes from it cannot benefit me in any way. Even if the white people reign supreme intelligence wise, how do I benefit? In fact, I'll go so far as to say that if Watson is proved correct, it might prompt another study which just might put my race down. So, if anything, I would be at a disadvantage. So, again, how is my vanity affected?

Which one did and which didn't? Point it out to me then. As I said, it does make things murky. How do I know that this minority I am hiring didn't get where he is because of AA? How would I know that my GPA is worth what a white man's is when there is AA. Looking at the scores, of a game, how do you tell who the better player is when there is a possibility of a handicap in place?

Said the guy who writes run ons all the time. To see your credentials, lets look at your grammar above. Sure, that holds a lot of credibility. Run ons make a sentence harder to read. That much is fact. What's your point?

peragro · #**157** 10-19-2007, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin

Right. White males are so oppressed.

Isn't oppression of any wrong? Or are we still pounding that "I've been oppressed for x years so you have to be oppressed too for x years to make it even" drum.

Honus · #**158** 10-19-2007, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by peragro

Isn't oppression of any wrong?

Yes.

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Or are we still pounding that "I've been oppressed for x years so you have to be oppressed too for x years to make it even" drum.

You won't hear that argument from me. All I'm saying is, as a white American male, I'm not feeling oppressed.

peragro · #**159** 10-19-2007, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin

Yes.You won't hear that argument from me. All I'm saying is, as a white American male, I'm not feeling oppressed.

Then it stands to reason that a derogatory remark is a derogatory remark whether it be white to black or black to white or pink to purple.

It is true that blacks are given more leeway in offensive speech - Jackson, whoever that Atlanta Congresswoman was, etc... All should be held equally accountable (not to interfere with FOS)

aklim · #**160** 10-19-2007, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin

Yes.You won't hear that argument from me.

So why do you think that a racial epithet from a white person against a black person should be taken more seriously than vice versa?

A264172 · #**161** 10-19-2007, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

So why do you think that a racial epithet from a white person against a black person should be taken more seriously than vice versa?

I think if you out numbered it's about the same either way. And the more history you have being a 'victim' of it (not that the hurler would necessarily know) the worse it gets for the receiver.

Botnst · #**162** 10-19-2007, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by peragro

Isn't oppression of any wrong? Or are we still pounding that "I've been oppressed for x years so you have to be oppressed too for x years to make it even" drum.

King Arthur: Old woman.
Dennis: Man.
King Arthur: Man, sorry. What knight lives in that castle over there?
Dennis: I'm 37.
King Arthur: What?
Dennis: I'm 37. I'm not old.
King Arthur: Well I can't just call you "man".
Dennis: Well you could say "Dennis".
King Arthur: I didn't know you were called Dennis.
Dennis: Well you didn't bother to find out did you?
King Arthur: I did say sorry about the "old woman", but from behind you looked...
Dennis: What I object to is you automatically treat me like an inferior.
King Arthur: Well I am king.
Dennis: Oh, king eh? Very nice. And how'd you get that, eh? By exploiting the workers. By hanging on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic and social differences in our society.
King Arthur: I am your king.
Woman: Well I didn't vote for you.
King Arthur: You don't vote for kings.
Woman: Well how'd you become king then?
[Angelic music plays... ]
King Arthur: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. THAT is why I am your king.
Dennis: [interrupting] Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Dennis: Oh, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you.
Dennis: Oh but if I went 'round sayin' I was Emperor, just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away.
Dennis: Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
King Arthur: Bloody peasant!
Dennis: Oh, what a giveaway! Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about! Did you see him repressing me? You saw him, Didn't you?

Gurkha · #**163** 10-19-2007, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

How would my vanity be affected either way? I am not white. Therefore, whatever comes from it cannot benefit me in any way. Even if the white people reign supreme intelligence wise, how do I benefit? In fact, I'll go so far as to say that if Watson is proved correct, it might prompt another study which just might put my race down. So, if anything, I would be at a disadvantage. So, again, how is my vanity affected?

Which one did and which didn't? Point it out to me then. As I said, it does make things murky. How do I know that this minority I am hiring didn't get where he is because of AA? How would I know that my GPA is worth what a white man's is when there is AA. Looking at the scores, of a game, how do you tell who the better player is when there is a possibility of a handicap in place?

Said the guy who writes run ons all the time. To see your credentials, lets look at your grammar above. Sure, that holds a lot of credibility. Run ons make a sentence harder to read. That much is fact. What's your point?

If you are not white, then its evident you would like to create more problems by adding fuel to the already huge fire thats burning, what else would be your agenda may I ask apart from that? Its not about your benefit, in fact your ulterior motive is to create a bigger ill feeling and like a pyromaniac, watch the fun and enjoy it.

Trust me, no self respecting blacks I know like affirmative action, its an insult on their abilities, a permanent put down to their entire life, but guess what, the world is not perfect and as I have seen in the past and now in present as well, it was needed at one stage, probably far less now. How would we know that bias would make a person of other color prefer his own over a qualified black? Is there any guarantee that wouldn't happen? Has been known to happen, even to other races in different situation where a qualified person was superseded based on race, the world and its inhabitants is one ugly place, its not the fair utopia you are trying to peddle for some strange reason. Even if a black person makes it via affirmative action, he or she would have to prove their mettle in the workplace of face stagnation or worse, termination of their services.

My credentials have been judged by authorities with far higher credentials than you would ever come across Mr. PC Wren

, your language skills are quite indicative of that, and is shown quite well in the way you write on this forum. its your comprehension that needs a refresher course. The only reason you are bringing issue of grammar is not due to any substance but to pep up your now bruised ego, by your fictitious assessment about my grammar, not only you put balm to your bruise, but you also manage to divert surreptitiously from the original topic, its not gonna work I am afraid.

Honus · #**164** 10-19-2007, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

So why do you think that a racial epithet from a white person against a black person should be taken more seriously than vice versa?

Did I say that?

Honus · #**165** 10-19-2007, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by peragro

Then it stands to reason that a derogatory remark is a derogatory remark whether it be white to black or black to white or pink to purple.

I am not sure which "Then" you are talking about, but your statement is true. But so what?

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It is true that blacks are given more leeway in offensive speech - Jackson, whoever that Atlanta Congresswoman was, etc... All should be held equally accountable (not to interfere with FOS)

What is "FOS"?

What do you mean, "held equally accountable"?