As you well know, the list of definitions proceeds from the most common usage to the least common usage, of which you chose the last in the list.

Even so, that definition doesn't include include the infamous waterboard.

B

It doesn't include the Iron Maiden either.

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It is included as #2 to inflict #1.

1.the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.
2.a method of inflicting such pain.

Careful, you'll sprain your back from such contortions. The part I was referring to, surprised it wasn't obvious, was the practice of some of the Yankees of fighting w/o the benefit of a uniform and then melting back into the population.

The notion that it is fine and dandy and will further our interests to imprison, for virtually a life sentence, ignorant fools from Afg. and Pak. because they were fighting out of uniform boggles my mind.

Doesn't matter that there was no GC at that time (Rev. war) -- point is, it's human nature to use whatever you have at your disposal to defeat a more powerful foe. Not pretty but there it is.

German undercover agents in plain clothes are far different than Afg/Pak dudes in their own country.

Again, you are unable to recognize a simple truth, instead contorting words and arguments in an attempt to hang onto your supposed superior knowledge on all matters.

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1. If you constrain your analogy to just the non-uniformed militias then you'll also know how the English treated them. I am sure you will agree taht our current treatment of illegal combatants is far, far better than the English treatment of colonists.

2. Straw dog. Nobody that I am aware of has advocated virtual life sentences for the illegal combatants. In fact, most of them have already been released or repatriated to their home countries.

3. The Conventions is EXACTLY the point. You and others argue that we should be observing them even though the murdering bastard Al Quedistas do not.

4. According to the Geneva Conventions and American law there is no difference.

5. Could help yourself, could you?

B

Show me where I made any of these accusations.

I can't find it now but I've read that the Brits considered the Yankees to be terrorists (don't recall if they used that actual word) because of the Yankee practice of guerilla warfare, including the practice of fighting out of uniform.

Oh golly, how could the Brits make such a charge long before the GC took place?

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4. Perfect example of the law being an ass. There is a huge difference.

5. Coherent sentences, please.

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2. Many are still held, w/o limbo as their companion.

3.And how does one civilze the savage? By sinking to his level?

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2. Many? How many?

3. Savages? What savages? I sure as heck don't think the people of Afghanistan or Iraq are savages. the ones I have met (men only, sadly) have been reasonably bright and literate. I assume that the women are about the same (except for the Afghan women who, though of probably equal intelligence, had been intentionally kept in repressive ignorance by the Taliban). They simply live in a different culture. In the case of the Afghans, mostly rural pastoralists or agriculturalist; in the case of Iraqis, far more varied. But in neither case are they savages.

You speak left and right of Al Qaedistas in terms normally reserved for savages. Suddenly, you're all genteel and stuff.

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Ah, I misunderstood what you meant by included.

In that case, waterboarding could be

4.extreme anguish of body or mind; agony.
5.a cause of severe pain or anguish.
7.to afflict with severe pain of body or mind



I've never suffered it, so I can't say for sure. But, I'm more concerned with hearing what they've been doing, then judging how torturous it is. Water boarding is just one thing they do.

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S'funny, they won't take my calls down there. Last I heard it was a few hundred.

If it had been closed and/or depopulated, we'd have heard about it.

Colin Powell said, "I wouldn't close Guantanamo tomorrow, I'd close it this afternoon."

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That's the one method that folks focus on so I assume it is the one that they use. I have not heard of any allegations of approved techniques involving inflicting of #1, #2, or #3.

I suspect that the loophole used by the interrogators is the degree to which their methodologies inflict anguish or pain to the mind. For example, I would be in a severe state of anguished distress were I so unfortunate as to be locked-up in a prison. I have seen people come ungued by chalk squeaking on a chalkboard. Then there's the loud rock music used against Manuel Noriega in Panama.

In general, it's awfully hard to measure something as subjective and variable as mental pain. I'd sure be interested in a proper definition.

B

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