WE DON'T TORTURE..........legal combatants. The rest? Who cares? useful information can be gained by compliant techniques.

Gitmo does not torture, nor do US forces. Intelligence gathering agencies are in charge of that, so if you think "Pvt Joe Snuffy" is out there with the cattle prod to the genitals, you have been watching too many bad movies.

FWIW, "Fresh Air" on NPR is about as reliable source as Jerry Springer, just packaged better. Terry Gross needs to stay focused on interviewing musicians....

Abu gharib was NOT torture.............please......

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FWIW, "Fresh Air" on NPR is about as reliable source as Jerry Springer, just packaged better. Terry Gross needs to stay focused on interviewing musicians....

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The interviewee however, was the former second in command at the CIA, who gave a little more than you may be able to offer on the subject, I suspect.

Werd!

OK boy wonder, see if you can summon two ounces of intellectual curiosity and listen to the GDed episode. The guy she interviewed is who is in question, not Teri Gross. The guy is no lightweigt, but I suspect you'll never know that because Hannity is damn sure not going to have him on his show.

Dude, I'm going to get you and ten of your buddies and pull an Abu Gharib on ya'all for about a month and then we'll see if your fondest ambition at that point is bashing my skull in.

Get a clue . . . .

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wow, you sound kind of shrill: you don't know me and yet you insult my intellect because I disagree with you.

I did not hear that interview, but, in general, Fresh Air is a puff piece show, as are most NPR events, news crafted to fit the message they want to convey. Regarding the interviewee, one can always find somebody who was on the inside with an axe to grind who will purport that we are doing everything wrong...usually it is sour grapes because they are no longer on the inside...

regarding Abu Gharib, your point is moot: even if what we wanted to do was bash your skull in after a month there doesn't mean that you were torturing us, just that you pissed us off. actually, if you let me pick the ten guys, it might be kind of fun to see what your best effort would be: I am getting kind of old, but who knows....

Look, the point is, I have been through SERE at Ft Bragg, and the stuff we did at Abu Gharib is no worse than what we do to our own troops. Hell, what I saw on the news about AG, is no worse than college fraternity initiation..

By the way, I don't listen to Hannity........I do listen to NPR, if for no other reason that the entertainment value of hearing all the little leftists frantically trying to denouce everything regarding GWOT....

I sound shrill?! I know enough about your intellect from your lame attempt to conflate Teri Gross and Jerry Springer to conclude that you haven't the barest clue about either show or probably much of anything else.

Springer runs a freak show, where Ginny Sue gets in a lather cuzzin' Billy Bob was a diddlin' her cousin whilst she was in the horspital cuzzin' Billy Bob done knocked her up whilst she was still recoverin' from the broken hip she got fightin' off Billy Bob's daddy. And of course Ginny Sue tries to whop her cousin with all 270 pounds of her fightin' self.

Gross interviews people who have some stature in the world. There is absolutely no comparison. I'm guessing the comparison you made sounded cute when Rush or Savage pulled it out.

If I had a choice, I'd prefer an 'Abu Gharibing' to having my fingernails pulled out and tougue cut off, I'll grant you. Still, in a country like Iraq, it comes real close to pyschological torture -- one thing is clear, it is not going to help with any heart-felt cooperation from any Iraqi or Arab with US forces.

Any college fraternity dick tried to do that to me, I'd bust him hard and live in the dormitory. Lessee, have you ever had a large G. Shepherd type dog bark and snarl inches away from your family equipment, you with your hands and ankles shackled such that you had to squeeze your jewels tween your legs in hopes the dog wouldn't make a quick snack of them? Give me a break.

When you got the training at Ft. Bragg, you could be well assured that no permanent harm was going to befall you. The dumb savages we torment have no such assurance.

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You do seem to get your nose quite out of joint when someone says something mean about your favourite performers. You really shouldn't go all pit-bull on people because they don't agree with you.

Weren't you just on another thread getting all mad at someone (who shall remain nameless, like a botonist should) for baselessly attacking Kerry and Gore? Even though he did it factually and with footnotes.

I used to watch Jerry Springer all the time in college. It was very instructional. He taught me that I shouldn't marry my sister-cousin, so I never have (you know, I am from Kentucky, and that's kinda close to Louisiana - at least for you North westerners). Hell, I think that Springer is probably the creative basis of My Name is Earl.

As for Gross, I used to listen to her. I learned now to talk with somewhat of a singsong voice and still be really boring whilst saying nothing at all of substance.

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Gross is wise enough to stay out of the way of those she interviews. Her questions can be vacuous at times but not bad at others. I don't care if the gentleman from Jerry Springer land doesn't agree with her. His comparing her with Springer is weak and evasive. Another in a long series of pea-brained put-down attempts of them dang liberals. Dude displayed his lack of thought or knowledge on the topic.

The interview I spoke of was a good one, as JD attested to. The man gave examples of how gaining a detainee's trust can get one much good intel.

Torture has, I'm guessing, a 2% chance of getting useful intel and a 99% chance of further alienating the very people whose cooperation we need to bring this thing to some kind of useful resolution.

You find this thread tiresome? Dude, I will guarantee you that having to witness the unimaginative, pseudo tough guys Bush/Cheney shovel this country into the gutter is far more tiresome for your favorite libtard here.

BTW, there are no footnotes and facts that can cover for the two or three tired themes on which Gore and Kerry are beaten up over. It's just lengthy static and obfuscation.I didn't want to say anything but I've noticed you do have a talent for being really boring while saying nothing at all of substance.

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See, I learned that from Terry Gross. It's one of the many tools I have in my toolbox. Using only a hammer gets so dull after a while.

BTW, you're kind of slipping on your ad hominem attacks. I don't think you're putting the care and emotion into them that you usually do (see above). Maybe you should step back and try and get the spark back? May I suggest throwing out a "Pergo-pergs" or a "rose coloured glasses/war-hawk" comment? That usually seems to prime the pump.

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Sometimes, sometimes not. Taking time to gain trust can degrade the intel.

How did you come out with 2%? Why not 0.5%? Why not 10%? Still with that "hearts and mind" crap, aren't you? It hasn't worked before, has it?

Edit: Know why the "hearts and mind" crap hasn't worked? Here is my take on it. You are trying to make something that works in a certain frame work in all frames. You can talk to me all day long about your museums, art galleries, philosophy, etc, etc. However, your gibberish will be falling on deaf ears because I am being bombed out of my gourd. Also, my kids are starving and life is precarious at best. First things first. Get the place stabilized. After that, you can win all the hearts and minds. Till then, you have NOTHING, ZERO, ZILCH, etc, etc. When you have stability, you can debate the finer points of morality, democracy, etc, etc. Till then, all you have is "blah, blah, blah". That is what any of that stuff sounds like when my belly is rumbling. That is what it sounds like when the bombs are going off around me.

Know why as Americans, we can do all this crap of being merciful, etc,etc? Because our lives are not YET under the gun all day long. As such, we can delve in all the frivolous activities. Like I said, do whatever it takes to stabilize the situation. After that, we can discuss how you want to win the hearts and minds. Before stability comes, all you have is just meaningless sounds.

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