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Old 05-29-2009, 06:39 AM
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Sorry but simple office rules if someone finds something offensive you will be asked to take it down. I am not saying its right but that is how it is. No employer is going to risk a law suit for "offending" someone. No different than having an NRA sticker and someone asks you to take it down.
Geez ... no different than a NRA sticker??? Get help, please!

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Old 05-29-2009, 06:43 AM
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I am saying that this is a property-rights case, and you are all trying to make it about patriotism. Here's a clue: that you insist on displaying a flag at work doesn't make you any more patriotic. In fact, it makes me think that you're trying too hard to compensate.
It doesn't make you any less patriotic either and for some it is the way to express their patriotism. Respect it!

And, I don't think it is a property rights case either.
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Old 05-29-2009, 06:46 AM
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It was not her office.

"Last week, she hung a three-by-five foot American flag in the office she shares with the other supervisors."

And she did not ask anyone that shares the office with her.

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Rampant nationalism does not make a patriot.
It makes you rampant.

Empty gestures are just that, empty.
Rampant nationalism, eh? It also says it was just before Memorial Day weekend, which is traditionally a Holiday on which we display the Flag. What's rampant about that?
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Old 05-29-2009, 07:15 AM
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Rampant nationalism, eh? It also says it was just before Memorial Day weekend, which is traditionally a Holiday on which we display the Flag. What's rampant about that?
We draw lines in the sand, then we make war over the lines.

Its not about the lines or the flags.

The symbol is not the issue.

The inappropriate behavior is.

There is nothing wrong with a flag.

There is something wrong with us.

The reason this story made the paper is because it sparks an emotional response
in the grunting an pissing kind of personality.

We are not superrior because we live in one country or another.

I personally do not care for flags of any sort.
There is just way to much of a freudian connection going on with that particular symbol. And I do not care to be a part of that.
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Old 05-29-2009, 07:44 AM
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We draw lines in the sand, then we make war over the lines.

Its not about the lines or the flags.

The symbol is not the issue.

The inappropriate behavior is.

There is nothing wrong with a flag.

There is something wrong with us.

The reason this story made the paper is because it sparks an emotional response
in the grunting an pissing kind of personality.

We are not superrior because we live in one country or another.

I personally do not care for flags of any sort.
There is just way to much of a freudian connection going on with that particular symbol. And I do not care to be a part of that.
You are mixing up way too many things. Bottom line is, you don't care for flags of any sort, which apparently includes our flag. For exactly that matter you are leaning towards calling it "inappropriate behavior".

There is no indication of inappropriate behavior throughout the entire article and video display.

Whether or not emotional response is coming from "the grunting an pissing kind of personality" is completely outside of your reach.

The real question is, whether the African Immigrant has ever participated in an Oath Ceremony of the Naturalization Act. If the person did so, I wonder if she also felt offended by the overwhelming presentation of Red White and Blue, yet still took the oath or turned her back and left.

Alternatively she may have never been sworn in.
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It doesn't make you any less patriotic either and for some it is the way to express their patriotism. Respect it!

And, I don't think it is a property rights case either.
Of course you don't. That's clear.

It would become a property rights case were it a different symbol and your own property. But I don't expect empathy.
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Old 05-29-2009, 02:32 PM
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I might be offened by the persons intention to put up the flag, but never by the flag itself.

Which concludes in the fact, that no matter how much I might be irritated by the perosn itself, I would never touch the flag in order to take it down. Never.
So if I wrap your car in a giant American flag, you won't ever drive your car again for the sake of not taking down the flag? Will you seek my permission to take it down?
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Old 05-29-2009, 02:34 PM
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We draw lines in the sand, then we make war over the lines.

Its not about the lines or the flags.

The symbol is not the issue.

The inappropriate behavior is.

There is nothing wrong with a flag.

There is something wrong with us.

The reason this story made the paper is because it sparks an emotional response
in the grunting an pissing kind of personality.

We are not superrior because we live in one country or another.
I wish more people followed that line of thinking. We'd probably see a lot fewer wars and other violence fueled by nationalism.
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I'm morally and emotionally on your side on this one--but think about it--there are certain religious conflicts (just to point out one problem) about a symbol that get all fouled up in the BoR. The Supreme Court cases have outlined the issues pretty well and the Jehovah's Witnesses don't have to stand up for the Pledge in 3d grade.


Would I knock the **** out of a flag-burner if no one was looking? Maybe.......
Does the guy have a right to do it? Your answer depends on which Amendment you value the highest.
X2,and then there is the hospital factor that needs to be considered.....
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Old 05-29-2009, 04:33 PM
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So if I wrap your car in a giant American flag, you won't ever drive your car again for the sake of not taking down the flag? Will you seek my permission to take it down?
You realize the silliness of your comparison, right?
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Old 05-29-2009, 04:39 PM
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Of course you don't. That's clear.

It would become a property rights case were it a different symbol and your own property. But I don't expect empathy.
Thanks for not expecting any empathy.
It isn't my property and it isn't a different symbol. It is what it is.
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Old 05-29-2009, 04:41 PM
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I wish more people followed that line of thinking. We'd probably see a lot fewer wars and other violence fueled by nationalism.
Let's put Rich C in charge of running the show and consequently we'll have a 'War on Nationalism'. That's obvious.
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You realize the silliness of your comparison, right?
It's a more extreme example, but it would still be nice if you actually answered the question.
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Old 05-29-2009, 05:14 PM
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Let's put Rich C in charge of running the show and consequently we'll have a 'War on Nationalism'. That's obvious.
I don't know about you, but I primarily consider myself an Earthling and American and Czech second (I'm a dual citizen). Last night I was watching the 2nd episode of a documentary called UFO: The Best Evidence where they ended the episode by one of the guys saying something like if there's to be any hope for the long-term future of our civilization, we'll have to start thinking of ourselves as Earthlings, as that's what we are to aliens whether we like it or not. I agree fully.
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Old 05-29-2009, 06:11 PM
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It's a more extreme example, but it would still be nice if you actually answered the question.
It is an inadequate comparison, that's why I didn't answer the question.

Here is how it goes:

Wrapping my vehicle with the effect that I cannot drive it, is a direct violation of my private and personal property rights, which is different form corporate property rights which accommodates employees on their property.

Theoretically I will ask you kindly to immediately remove the giant flag from my car, else you will face 2 lawsuits:

A the misuse of the Star Spangled Banner

B you disable my vehicle to the effect that I will experience dramatic loss, for which I will hold you accountable.

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