You’re arguing, then, that the Navy should ignore allegations and evidence of assault by SEALs because the person making the allegations is a suspected terrorist.

It would also seem you’re unaware that for Navy officials to indeed ignore the allegations, those officials would be committing a crime, yes?

In cases where the politically gun-shy military is afraid they will be criticized, they offer non-judicial punishment under Article 15 of the Uniform Code of Militarty Justice.

It's like copping a plea to a lesser charge.

These guys are not going to be grist for someone's mill, so they called the JAG's bluff, refused the plea deal and want a trial.

Some lower-level commanders, like captains, use that to keep people in line because they don't know how to lead and manage people. Those guys are so inept you want to call their bluff.


The next step is an Article 32 investigation. The results of the investigation could include a recommendation that these charges be dropped, which I suspect, has a good chance of happening unless they broke every bone in this guy's body.

This is the way that military commanders who fear political retribution from the Beltway cover their ass.

Yes it sucks, but it is one of the safeguards that prevent stupid things from happening. Every time there's an Abu Ghraib, the military over reacts in response to congress, because the military leaders are always trying to "get along..." They fear the purse string power of Congress and the ability of the Senate to hold up officer nominations.

Face it: most generals are non-confrontational, they are like Colin Powell. Sometimes you need Patton. The trick is to mix styles and most generals are just interested in getting ahead and retiring. The guys like GEN Shalikashvili and GEN Hagee (USMC) are past history now.,

If you didn't know, more senior ranks in the Army, Navy etc have to be approved by the Congress. There's a limit to how many generals, colonels etc etc you can have on active duty at any one time.

That's why right now a certain number of jobs are fiulled with what are called "promotables." People who are promotable but not approved by Congress.

So a colonel/O-6 migtht be a COL(P) awaiting his/her first star, and do the job as a colonel and get paid as a colonel... for months.

It's like getting the promotion promise from your boss and never getting the promo.....

There's a lot of ways Congress screws with the military, even the enlisted.

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I do wonder if that's the real story, or it's just fox spinning stuff. I will agree with you if we see similar reports from real news organizations.

You won't see that on BBC any more than you will see the recent escape of a British Army corporal who was kidnapped in Kuwait for ransom, when he went out to a restaurant. And he's British!. It's just not considered that big of a story and it doesn't fit the news agenda/political agenda.

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Its a combat zone, when picking the guy up stuff happens. Their job is to assault people. He is not a US citizen and is not protected under the Geneva Convention, so he has no rights.

So yes I would expect them not to report such silly incidents, if such an incident did occur. Which since Fox reported it is iffy.

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Well, if it's only reported on fox we can be sure it's pure fiction. If there is an actually story it will be reported elsewhere.

In reality, it doesn't sound like a "big" story anyway; a couple of enlisted guys getting caught bending the rules.

I am sorry guys but I have to disagree with you.

If the SEAL team have shot the guy till he was "escaping" () they could have earned themselves some medals.

Now they NEED TO DEAL WITH SOME ********* accusations.

Kind of funny that he have reported the assault on his tender lips only AFTER he was transfer to the IRAQ security forces who have returned him to the US Seals????
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Assuming this is real; these guys would have been operating under some rules of engagement. If they broke the rules, their own chain of command will have a problem with it because they usually prefer that their orders are followed. I agree that stuff like this wouldn't normally make the news, and it would probably be handled informally.

Whether he has rights has nothing to do with it. He's not the one bringing the charges. The charges are being brought by the Navy.At best.

If they didn't follow orders thats another story.

They should have said he tripped and fell.

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He did, I watched in on FOX NEWS

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From the link, these are the charges:

Matthew McCabe, a Special Operations Petty Officer Second Class (SO-2), is facing three charges: dereliction of performance of duty for willfully failing to safeguard a detainee, making a false official statement, and assault.

Petty Officer Jonathan Keefe, SO-2, is facing charges of dereliction of performance of duty and making a false official statement.

Petty Officer Julio Huertas, SO-1, faces those same charges and an additional charge of impediment of an investigation.

It sounds like there may be more to this story than a bloody lip. Again, I'm waiting to see a more credible source report the story.

The story I just reported on with the Brit soldier was on the US State dept website and on www.osac.gov. You may need a subscription for the latter, I have one from work.

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I think I remember that story from elsewhere, but I don't remember the details.

I don't trust Fox entertainment to give the full story.

I suspect a Seal assaulted a prisoner that was cuffed etc.
The seals buddies are in trouble for covering up for him.