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Old 11-25-2009, 09:31 AM
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In cases where the politically gun-shy military is afraid they will be criticized, they offer non-judicial punishment under Article 15 of the Uniform Code of Militarty Justice.

It's like copping a plea to a lesser charge.

These guys are not going to be grist for someone's mill, so they called the JAG's bluff, refused the plea deal and want a trial.

Some lower-level commanders, like captains, use that to keep people in line because they don't know how to lead and manage people. Those guys are so inept you want to call their bluff.
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SEALs charged in alleged assault of detainee

By Gidget Fuentes - Staff writer
Posted : Tuesday Nov 24, 2009 17:41:46 EST

SAN DIEGO — Three Navy SEALs are facing court-martial for allegedly assaulting and mishandling a detainee they captured in Iraq in September, military officials said.

The three SEALs — Special Warfare Operators 2nd Class Matthew McCabe and Jonathan Keefe, and SO1 Julio Huertas — will be arraigned Dec. 7 in a military court in Norfolk, Va., said Army Lt. Col. Holly Silkman, a spokeswoman with U.S. Special Operations Command Central.

McCabe is charged with one count each of assault of the detainee, dereliction of duty and making a false official statement, Silkman said. Officials accuse McCabe of “willfully failing to safeguard a detainee,” Silkman said.

Keefe is charge with one count each of dereliction of duty and false official statement; Huertas is accused of dereliction of duty, false official statement and impeding an investigation, she said.

Army Maj. Gen. Charles Cleveland, SOCCent commander, preferred the charges against the SEALs and will serve as the convening authority as the cases proceed to court-martial, tentatively scheduled for mid-January, Silkman said.

None of the SEALs is confined, she added.

The alleged incident happened in Iraq on or about Sept. 1, Silkman said. “The one thing I can’t talk about is this alleged victim,” she said.

No other details about the alleged incident were immediately available.

The SEALs have been assigned military attorneys to defend them in the cases, which will be tried separately as special courts-martial.

One defense attorney said they had refused to accept nonjudicial punishment, administrative actions that some in the military may consider as a admission of guilt.

Neal Puckett, a defense attorney who is representing McCabe, said the SEALs are being essentially charged for allegedly giving the detainee “a punch in the gut.”

They are expected to plead not guilty when they appear at their arraignment. “They are all together and they all maintain that they are innocent of these charges,” said Puckett, a retired Marine Corps lieutenant colonel and judge advocate.

The SEALs were on the tail-end of their deployment to Iraq when the alleged incident happened, he said.

Puckett offered no details about the alleged incident, but said that “in a combat environment, the handling of a detainee … these things happen all the time and can easily be justified as maintaining [control of] a detainee.”

McCabe’s special court-martial is slated to begin Jan. 19, he said.

Huertas, 28, is originally from Blue Island, Ill., and enlisted in 1999. He has served in special warfare units since 2002. He has an Iraq Campaign Medal and was advanced in June 2006, Navy records show.

McCabe, 24 is originally from Perrysburg, Ohio, and enlisted in 2003. He served on the Amphibious Assault Ship Belleau Wood before training in special warfare. He was advanced in September 2007, Navy records show.

Keefe, 25, is originally from Yorktown, Va., and enlisted in 2006. He began SEAL training the same year, Navy records show. He was last advanced in June 2008.

Cmdr. Greg Geisen, a Naval Special Warfare Command spokesman in Coronado, Calif., referred all questions about the charges to SOCCent.

The charges were first reported by Fox News, which posted a story on its Web site Tuesday, saying the charges surround the SEALs’ handling of Ahmed Hashim Abed, who is believed to be connected to the 2004 slaying of four U.S. security contractors in Fallujah.

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Old 11-25-2009, 11:10 AM
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I find it hard to imagine the Navy would put their men on trial for just punching someone in the gut.

That by the way appears to be the lawyer for defense's descriptoin of what happened.
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I think its just Super EH had to have seen this and is letting it happen ( special court-martial )

the Men americas military ( dial 911 when they are in trouble ) hanging them up on a fence for the sake of political correctness

most of you have no idea who those heros really are, and what they went through to get to the place they are in,

you should get down on your godless knees and thank the kool aid you drink

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Old 11-25-2009, 06:19 PM
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Please don't use the works "fox" and "news" together.
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Thats scary too is it
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Old 11-25-2009, 06:24 PM
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Are all service men and women above the law in all situations?

If that's the belief, why do they need these guys?
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Old 11-25-2009, 06:24 PM
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I find it hard to imagine the Navy would put their men on trial for just punching someone in the gut.

That by the way appears to be the lawyer for defense's descriptoin of what happened.
I still haven't seen any real information except the list of charges. I have to assume these guys are accused of breaking some rules of engagement then lying about it. I guess we will see what comes out at the trial. It's possible that their command decided it was time to make an example of someone, and these guys just screwed up at the wrong time.
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Old 11-25-2009, 06:26 PM
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Thats scary too is it
Just inaccurate.
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Are all service men and women above the law in all situations?

If that's the belief, why do they need these guys?

Get off your girley girl butt - join up

Being a man has somethung to be said for it, in letting you see whats going on with a real edjucation - not a bloviating wuss who should have been drafted telling you whats what with the world
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Old 11-25-2009, 06:58 PM
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Are all service men and women above the law in all situations?

If that's the belief, why do they need these guys?
I do think they get mixed messages from everyone. We are not necessarily talking about people who are going to understand the subtlety of getting the job done while not bending the rules too much, especially if they are given intentionally vague directions. It's possible these guys were really off the reservation, or they might just be the dumb schmucks who will take the blame for doing what they were told.
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Get off your girley girl butt - join up

Being a man has somethung to be said for it, in letting you see whats going on with a real edjucation - not a bloviating wuss who should have been drafted telling you whats what with the world
Ah, another valuable contribution from the NJ debate team.
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Ah, another valuable contribution from the NJ debate team.
... and finalist in the statewide spelling bee.
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Old 11-25-2009, 07:11 PM
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I was waiting for him to go all "Jessup" on me . . .
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Fuk the liberals, My oldest son fought in Afghanistan for two years and received 2 purple hearts and many other medals. After fighting for his country, he now has to file bankruptcy because he can't pay his bills. It's like when the Government is done with you, they don't give a ****. Those Navy Seals deserve more respect, like in the olden days.

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