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Old 12-07-2009, 05:55 PM
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Maybe you should take this opportunity to set your record straight. You gamed the system to exempt yourself from the chance of personal harm by fraudulently claiming Conscientious Objector status. Now you want to have others believe this was somehow a noble act on your part and not the cowardly self-interest that you bemoan people for 30-40 years have rightfully recognized it to be?

On March 8, 1971 the US Supreme Court had already rendered its decision on the constitutionality of the “selective conscientious objection” which you perversely rely upon as your defense.

GILLETTE v. UNITED STATES, 401 U.S. 437 (1971) Holds that,” The exemption for those who oppose "participation in war in any form" applies to those who oppose participating in all war and not to those who object to participation in a particular war only, even if the latter objection is religious in character.”

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=401&invol=437

You have repeatedly made postings regarding your beliefs regarding other wars and your alleged willingness to participate in them and repeatedly confessed the nature of your objections to the Vietnam War! Your own statements convict you plain and simple, you’ve stated that had your time been the American Revolution, WWII or Afghanistan you would have chosen to serve and fight but in actuality when your time came to stand on principle you did not. You’re not opposed to all wars, only the war that would have actually put you at risk. How does that make someone anything other than “a draft dodging coward”?

You state, “Military service is a major coming of age ritual in the US, something I looked forward to and then when it came my time, the war from hell beckoned. Of course it was a signature event in my life.”

“But after 30 - 40 years of being given crap of my own, directly or indirectly, about being some kind of draft dodging coward, I'm disinclined to not speak frankly about my end of the experience.”

Maybe now is the time to reflect and accept that by your own admissions you are not in fact nor ever where ,”a conscientious objector” and abandon your claims that your actions where motivated buy anything but self preservation.

Living that lie of your “signature event in my life” for 37 years has misshapen you; of necessity you’ve constructed a world view to rationalize disgraceful conduct as virtue.

Your response to those who accepted the call to sacrificed life and limb, where you responded with scheme and deceit is:


Shame on you.
Shame on me? KMGDA.

My position did not adhere to the textbook definition of a CO as that stipulates that you must be opposed on a moral basis to all wars at all times. I'm not a full time pacifist. There are times that if you don't stand up and fight, your life will be forfeit and your family enslaved.

However I did have a strong moral objection to what was going on in Vietnam. If I hadn't been a CO, I would have gone underground. I wasn't going to do anything under orders from the world record ass William Westmoreland. The CO route appealed to me as it gave the chance to state my reasoning before agents of the nation and to serve the country in some capacity.

You're going to tell me that Lt. Calley and all the others who didn't get caught who were burning down villages and slaughtering peasants on orders that they didn't have the good sense to refuse somehow accrued more honor than those of us who understood the biblical admonition "blessed are they who walketh not in the counsel of the un-Godly?"

The Red White and Blue does not confer unimpeachable righteousness.
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