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RichC · #31 09-30-2010, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

Poor people have a lot of nice stuff that I don't have. I love going into section 8 rentals, they usually have nicer TV's than me, and lease newer Mercedes and Lexus. My favorite had a 48in plasma in every room, I can only hope to one day have such luxury through hard work. But in the mean time I'm happy my tax dollars are supporting such a lifestyle for other people.

Socialism? No I don't like socialism it rewards leaches; I'm a big fan of the work or starve system, dog eat dog, or in some cases shark eat dog. Voting for socialism is just being afraid of the big fish in the pool and wanting to stay in the kiddie pool.

Right now half the country doesn't pay taxes and that's a shame.

So you prefer dog eat dog over one person helping another ?

How does socialism reward leaches, in your example capitalism is rewarding the leaches.

I too thought I could be a big shark in the ocean, and then AT&T taught me I was still a little fish in the kiddie pool.

That little lesson cost me nearly $150,000.00

You and I will never ever be the big fish.
There is a far better chance of winning the lottery multiple times
than competing with the multinational corporations that are taking over our democracy.

But I wish you all the luck in the world.

RichC · #32 09-30-2010, 05:38 AM

We have socialism in the US

Well the rich do.

Remember the bank bailouts ?

Socialism for the rich
Capitalism for the poor.

Aint amerika grand !!

MS Fowler · #33 09-30-2010, 06:40 AM

Rich,
You argue against US capitalism.
That is a myth. The US is NOT truly a capitalistic economy or country. The US is a victim of "Corporatism"--where business use the regulatory power of government to reduce both their risks and their competition.

S. Korea is far more capitalistic than the US. How are they doing in the world economy?

POS · #34 09-30-2010, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by RichC

You and I will never ever be the big fish.
There is a far better chance of winning the lottery multiple times
than competing with the multinational corporations that are taking over our democracy.

Rich wants things given to him; so does my seven year old. However, I earn what I get because it's what adults do.

PS, Rich - I am a big fish (at least according to the govt), and I've used my brain and work ethic to get there. You can too, but apparently you don't believe you have the talent and/or ambition to do it. Therefore, I don't see any reason why I should supplement your lack of motivation with my tax dollars.

Txjake · #35 09-30-2010, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Rich,
You argue against US capitalism.
That is a myth. The US is NOT truly a capitalistic economy or country. The US is a victim of "Corporatism"--where business use the regulatory power of government to reduce both their risks and their competition.

S. Korea is far more capitalistic than the US. How are they doing in the world economy?

Well said. Corporatism is the enemy, it seems. When corporations rule, there is no loyalty, no boundries and people all over the globe are pitted against one another in order to improve the bottom line....

MS Fowler · #36 09-30-2010, 10:30 AM

In thinking of the title to this thread, I came to the conclusion, " Well, Duh!"
Since less than half of the people pay income taxes, and therefore have no " skin in the game", why wouldn't they want someone else to keep giving them more and more stuff.

The problem is that sooner or later you run out of other peoples' money. If I could get my employer to put me on salary at my present rate, but only make me work 24 hours a week, AND pay for all my health care, AND a healthy pension, why wouldn't I want that? Well, the answer is that sooner or later my employer runs out of money, and therefore he goes bankrupt--then I have to look for another job. The only difference is that the government can print money if it wants to, but that simply makes all money worth less than it was, so you make future generations pay for your current benefits. That seems morally bankrupt to me.

Utopia seems great--but, in reality it is unrealistic. Therefore it is evil.

Hatterasguy · #37 09-30-2010, 01:40 PM

I find that the amount people pay in taxes is often related to how much they like socialism. People who don't pay anything tend to like it, heck free stuff is good everyone likes free. People who pay a lot tend to want to keep their hard earned money.

mgburg · #38 09-30-2010, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JollyRoger

That is exactly what the Europeans have done, for the most part.

How's that EU-thing going lately? Never mind that little messy Greek-tradgedy-thingy going on...they'll drop out and the EU-thing will be the building block of the New World Order once again...with just a small chink in the armour.

mgburg · #39 09-30-2010, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC

We have socialism in the US ... Well the rich do. ... Remember the bank bailouts ? ... Socialism for the rich ... Capitalism for the poor. ... Aint amerika grand !!

Uhhhhh, yah! The "amerika grand" Democratic Congress voted for it.

Check the dates.

Democratic Congress since 2007.

Bank Bailouts...very recent...like Post-2007.

Logic sucks when it has you painted in a corner...and there's no way to get out of that...

10fords · #40 10-01-2010, 12:50 AM

I think there should be a government program to pay for one way tickets to Sweden if you renounce your United States citizenship. In short order all the lazy ass leftist losers would be gone and the rest of us could get back to being a great country again. Funny thing though- Sweden won't let just anyone get into their country because it would be plain suicidal to let everyone in on such a great deal if they hadn't contributed to it. Hmmm.... maybe the US should learn something from Sweden.

layback40 · #41 10-01-2010, 01:09 AM

These sorts of stats are just a case of people thinking "the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence!"

RichC · #42 10-01-2010, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by POS

Rich wants things given to him; so does my seven year old. However, I earn what I get because it's what adults do.

PS, Rich - I am a big fish (at least according to the govt), and I've used my brain and work ethic to get there. You can too, but apparently you don't believe you have the talent and/or ambition to do it. Therefore, I don't see any reason why I should supplement your lack of motivation with my tax dollars.

I dont want your money.

But I do think you should pay your fair share of taxes, just like the poor.

But more so I think the super wealthy should pay their fair share.

Read as, roll-back of the Reagan tax cuts for the wealthy.

You are not a big fish, but keep chasing that carrot they have put out for you.

I think the numbers are up to like 3 % of the people own 85 % of the wealth in the US.

And they did not get there by working hard, or having a good work ethic.

Basically they destroyed the middle class to get there.

You are becoming a slave to the plutocracy that is taking over, and you arguing to make it worse for yourself.

RichC · #43 10-01-2010, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Rich,
You argue against US capitalism.
That is a myth. The US is NOT truly a capitalistic economy or country. The US is a victim of "Corporatism"--where business use the regulatory power of government to reduce both their risks and their competition.

S. Korea is far more capitalistic than the US. How are they doing in the world economy?

I agree, it is the corporate takeover of our democracy, thinly veiled as capitalism.

RichC · #44 10-01-2010, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

In thinking of the title to this thread, I came to the conclusion, " Well, Duh!"
Since less than half of the people pay income taxes, and therefore have no " skin in the game", why wouldn't they want someone else to keep giving them more and more stuff.

The problem is that sooner or later you run out of other peoples' money. If I could get my employer to put me on salary at my present rate, but only make me work 24 hours a week, AND pay for all my health care, AND a healthy pension, why wouldn't I want that? Well, the answer is that sooner or later my employer runs out of money, and therefore he goes bankrupt--then I have to look for another job. The only difference is that the government can print money if it wants to, but that simply makes all money worth less than it was, so you make future generations pay for your current benefits. That seems morally bankrupt to me.

Utopia seems great--but, in reality it is unrealistic. Therefore it is evil.

Your argument falls apart when you look at social democracies like Sweden and Finland and Germany which are doing much better than we are.

RichC · #45 10-01-2010, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

I find that the amount people pay in taxes is often related to how much they like socialism. People who don't pay anything tend to like it, heck free stuff is good everyone likes free. People who pay a lot tend to want to keep their hard earned money.

And the sad truth is the middle class pays a lot more than the upper class.

Were getting screwed !!