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MS Fowler · #31 07-08-2011, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

It is one thing to 'know' something because you have put some pieces together and your supposition makes sense. For something to be known in a court of law you either need to have proof or you need an admission. Lawyers tend not to ask questions that they do not want to know the answer to. It is there job to defend their client to the best of their ability. They did just that.

When a lawyer says he does not know the truth he is being technically correct more than likely. He knows it in his heart but if there was no admission or proof then he does not "know" it.

IOW, the lawyer is in about the same state as the rest of us. We think is might be guilty, but cannot/ will not be able to prove it.

"Beyond a reasonable doubt" is a tough standard. I am glad for it.

lutzTD · #32 07-08-2011, 06:11 PM

I do understand the law and agree she was found not guilty by that standard. Im just saying Im pretty sure she did it, the cops are sure she did it, and I hope she gets whats coming to her. the legal system notwithstanding, a little innocent girl was killed, its not reasonable to believe that a mother would put a drowned child in a plastic bag, duct tape their mouth and toss them in a mud hole, its not coincidence someone researched the effects of ether, or that her car was abandoned for days and days and had a rotten meat smell. that poor little girl.

lutzTD · #33 07-08-2011, 06:14 PM

small lies are one thing, but the basics..... the first thing they ask is where do you live, where do you work, what do you do. to that she lied where she worked, they knew it right away and took her there and she actually wandered around the place for a while until she finally broke down and said she didnt work there, who does that?

aklim · #34 07-08-2011, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by lutzTD

I heard tonight they are already lining upfor the civil suits. the county wants its investigation money back as well as several private groups who were involved. Along with that and the cost to defend shes going to need a book to even be solvent. not to mention that she acused her parents of all kinds of dispicable things. She used to live with her parents, now even that will not be available. I hope to see her suffer the same fate as OJ, she will be a peria and eventually will try to do something illegal figuring the lawyers will get her out again. it will be interesting to see what happens to her if she ends up in a federal prison, which Im guessing is only a few years away

this case renews my disgust in trial lawyers. you can bet she told all the disgusting details to her team and they are still celebrating the fact that they helped her get away with it.

Not sure I agree with that way of doing things. Kinda like "We'll play till I win" and the state has deep pockets.

Would you feel the same way about the lawyer that gets his client off and later, the real perp is caught or is it just limited to the ones that get people off you think deserve to be found guilty?

aklim · #35 07-08-2011, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

Florida isn't much better. (I might support the death penalty in a perfect world, but not in reality because it's damned hard to un-kill someone who've you just killed after new evidence comes out.

Plus the participation of doctors in lethal injection is abhorrent and disgusting -- please at least use a method that only requires the use of hired killers, not medical professionals who took an oath to save life.)

So, a man is 30 yo. You jailed him for 10 years before you found the new "real" perp. He is now 40 yo. Please explain how you can "un-jail" him. Don't start with the "at least he has the rest.....". After all, you did take 10 years away from him and you can never give him that back. His kids are grown up, relatives and loved ones moved on, etc, etc.

Unfortunately, people insist that the perp be killed in a humane way. Otherwise, you can obviously find a few guys who will gladly strangle him for a few packs of cigarettes in prison.

MTI · #36 07-08-2011, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Please explain how you can "un-jail" him. Don't start with the "at least he has the rest.....". After all, you did take 10 years away from him and you can never give him that back. His kids are grown up, relatives and loved ones moved on, etc, etc.

Unfortunately, people insist that the perp be killed in a humane way. Otherwise, you can obviously find a few guys who will gladly strangle him for a few packs of cigarettes in prison.

You "un-jail" by restoring their freedom and rights; provide a method or means for potential restitution if laws were violated. Much easier than "un-executing" an innocent.

engatwork · #37 07-08-2011, 08:48 PM

Dateline abc is doing an article on this story here in about 15 minutes eastern time.

aklim · #38 07-08-2011, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI

You "un-jail" by restoring their freedom and rights; provide a method or means for potential restitution if laws were violated. Much easier than "un-executing" an innocent.

No, what you are saying is "Since I stole your money, I will give it back to you.". Of course the opportunities you could have had with the money are lost but such is life.

OK. Since it is so easy, explain how you would roll back the clock on that 30 yo man who is now 40. Restitution for that one would be interesting. IF you were that said case, tell me, what would be fair restitution for the good years I took away. How would you give that back? A few bucks an an apology? Or put another way, how much would it take for me to make it all right to lock you up at 30 and at some random point in time set you free while the rest of the world goes on, your daughter and son grew up, missed moments, etc, etc. Undo that one.

spdrun · #39 07-08-2011, 09:09 PM

^^^

It's not right, but at least you can attempt to make restitution, unlike if you had killed him at age 35.

MTI · #40 07-08-2011, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

No, what you are saying is "Since I stole your money, I will give it back to you.". Of course the opportunities you could have had with the money are lost but such is life.

OK. Since it is so easy, explain how you would roll back the clock on that 30 yo man who is now 40. Restitution for that one would be interesting. IF you were that said case, tell me, what would be fair restitution for the good years I took away. How would you give that back? A few bucks an an apology? Or put another way, how much would it take for me to make it all right to lock you up at 30 and at some random point in time set you free while the rest of the world goes on, your daughter and son grew up, missed moments, etc, etc. Undo that one.

Your concept of restitution is somewhat naive. When you get injured in a car accident, your only legal compensation is monetary. What amount of money will ever compensate you for pain over any given period of time? Your view expects, somewhat unrealistically, that compensation is only valid if it absolutely replaces the loss. I believe you and I live in an imperfect world, where mistakes happen and compromises are made. That's not the kind of environment for capital punishment.

dseretakis · #41 07-08-2011, 10:58 PM

The prosecution had zero evidence in this case. It was all circumstantial BS. No scientific test suceeded in proving that she was in any way involved, there were no witnesses to the crime or surveillance videos. There was nothing. Sure the whole this is very fishy but you can't convict someone on fishy. We are no longer living in the dark ages and therefore should not have to rely on circumstantial evidence cases. Plenty of people have been sentenced to life or have been executed and later, after the fact been found innocent. She was found innocent and deserves to walk a free woman and be left alone.

aklim · #42 07-08-2011, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

^^^

It's not right, but at least you can attempt to make restitution, unlike if you had killed him at age 35.

You cannot make any real restitution. You can toss him a few bucks, give him an apology and sooth yourself by saying "At least he has the REST of his life left.". What you can do is make yourself feel better. As I asked, how much will it take to pay back the lost opportunities? None. Time passes, you cannot bring it back. IF because of the mistake, the man lost his family and career, what is it you can to to make it right? Can you turn back the clock?

aklim · #43 07-08-2011, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI

Your concept of restitution is somewhat naive. When you get injured in a car accident, your only legal compensation is monetary. What amount of money will ever compensate you for pain over any given period of time? Your view expects, somewhat unrealistically, that compensation is only valid if it absolutely replaces the loss.

I believe you and I live in an imperfect world, where mistakes happen and compromises are made. That's not the kind of environment for capital punishment.

Same question. How much, percentage wise can you compensate me for the loss? Can you give me back my good years? No. So how much is it that you can give me? A rough percentage would be interesting. I don't even ask for 100%. How much, percentage wise do you think you can compensate me for when it comes to lost time? 80%? 50% 10%?

Yes, we live in an imperfect world. That means mistakes happen even when we do the best we can. We can improve it but we can never eliminate it. We have to accept that. That said, principle wise, capital punishment is about as certain as incarceration. In capital punishment, you are taking a life you cannot replace. In incarceration, you are taking time and punishing someone and you cannot undo that either. The difference is that in the case of mistaken incarceration, you can sooth yourself whereas in capital punishment, you cannot.

davidmash · #44 07-09-2011, 01:46 AM

So you are saying given the choice of loss of freedom or loss of life they are the same to you and would chose death?

cmac2012 · #45 07-09-2011, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by marko55

I think she will soon be appearing on an adult video.....or Jerry Springer,does he even have a show anymore?

Porn seems like a, er, uh, perfect fit for her.

If I was a juror, having sat through approx. 30 days or more of that crap, I might be looking for a little compensation above and beyond the pittance the state gives you.