For the record, I know a lot of of different folks that don't fit their particular stereotype, generally from places where they are in the majority. Go figure.

South Africa? Granted, it is an exception to the rule but it can happen. I think it is also a matter of power. There are more women than me in the US but the mnen have always held more power. The white government in S. Africa held power because they had the power to do so.

I do agree with your point though. Typically the numerical majority will also hold the power as well.

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Dominate minority

Many people have had little opportunity, but what chance they did have could have been wasted or seized. The past is gone- and re-inforcing that it is still true is a dead end for everyone. Hispanics are a minority- but if a person just comes here from Mexico- how was he/she harmed by past policies? If a black person comes here after a life in Canada or Russia- how was he/she harmed by the USA's past? How did the current white people harm either of those two? How did the current white person in Kansas hurt the black person in NY?

What's best for everyone, including and especially the "minorities" who'e ancestors may have been repressed is to be colorblind and have huge penalties for those that make racial decisions in society. Nothing else but this idea will solve the racial issues in modern society.

Keep living in your little bubble of self-justification, it seems happy in there. Meanwhile the rest of us who clearly see systems failing and slighting many minority individuals will have an ounce of compassion and try to help. Take a look at any city and tell me there is not systemic failure (then tryto prove it) and maybe we could find common ground. I agree on your last paragraph essentially, but glossing over history does not make it go away.

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I work in Baltimore. I see what you describe.
However, like many medium-large, old cities, Baltimore is run exclusively bt democrats. Has been run exclusively by democrats for generations.
If democrats are the answer, then why does this situation exist? I repubs ran the cities, you'd say it was failed repub policies. ( and I'd agree). But with dems running things, I have to ask why the systems are failing.

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Personally I am not really interested in a partisan political discussion, I'm just arguing that systemic marginalization is still very real and current. I think there are more problems than just "democratic policy" and the counter ideology that some like to think would make this country a utopia. I think these problems would exist either way.

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Why do you post false screeds that some guy never said in the support of this white supremacist crap? You make me want to vomit with your "these people weren't any good because they were black" pile of BS. Nothing like pulling some hoax email out of an ooze of pig slop and trying to elevate it, guys like you really help out the discussion level by peddling a pack of lies. I'm sure your coworkers were sorry to see you go.

Maybe in your eyes. Maybe they think they now have a better life. I suppose we could go back to letting slum lords run things so their kids can play with rats and all, we all know how well the whole capitalism-over-all thing worked out for minorities in the past. Perhaps we need to get back to the good old days when the mayor of Baltimore called out the national guard to shoot striking union people by the hundreds.

Talk about being in denial!

Baltimore is a broken city. If we hit an unmarked water service, the Water Dept always says, " The next shift will be out." But no one ever comes. We end up making repairs in order to keep working.

I am not making a partisan argument--One party government--by ANY one party will lead to waste, inefficiency and lethargy.

Why do you always go to the most extreme examples? Who wants a return of slum lords? But don't these kids deserve an education that will prepare them to succeed? Do you just want to write them off? Don't they deserve a police and court systems that stops murderers rather than returning them to the streets to intimidate law-abiding people?
I suppose, as long as liberals control the cities, any behavior is tolerable in your mind.

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Off to ignore land with comments like this.

I see systems failing also- but I don't blame it on white people, I blame it on all people.
Why do you think I don't help others? You show your small mind with that thinking.
The failure is there all right, but it's not because the white boys old club is sitting smoking cigars somewhere going over the plans to insure all blacks don't get jobs, or that asians are only allowed to have tiny Vietnamese noodle house restaurants. Show me where you think all these racist white people are doing the bad deeds which put down the minorities. Show me the actual person which stopped a black person from getting hired and instead a white guy was hired. You know that the government does the opposite- giving blacks and other minorities contracts based on skin color instead of who gave the best offer, right?

Sniff sniff, please don't, the tears are making my keyboard stick.

Small thinking? OK - says the guy who thinks we live in a post-racist world . Lets see, who lives in the poorest neighborhoods demographically? Who lives in the richest demographically? What is the racial makeup of the best schools vs. the worst schools? How about college degrees? I would like to see you explain this through your reasoning in a post-racist world where everyone has the same opportunities. Think a little deeper than your image of white guys sitting around a table trying to keep the black man down. What we have is a system derived of decades of racism that were designed by wealthy white folks to benefit their own...whether they truly intended that or not is debatable and probably coming down to individualism. I'm a young guy but I know that in our PAST as a country many of the money makers, movers, innovators, were white for obvious reasons (i.e. slavery). The intellectuals they hired were white. Big money stayed within white folks, which was reinvested in their families, neighborhoods, and schools. Meanwhile, the uneducated laborers earn an honest wage, but not enough to move out of the decaying cities. When the wealthy move to their suburbs, the residential money flow into the city decreases, the burden on the less fortunate folks increases in the form of taxes. There is less money to invest in housing, food, welfare, etc. There are plenty of people who view other races as a disease or plague--when the neighborhoods start turning over there is a TON of tension. To further that point, its statistically shown that socioeconomic disparity within urban/suburban is directly linked to violence. Yet ANOTHER factor. However I would argue the biggest factor in a lot of this is education, the schools in many cities are so bad that kids don't even bother going. This is due to the aforementioned lack of income and socioeconomic disparity. Couple that with common single parenthood and several generations' lack of motivation due to the above reasons and you have a recipe for failure. Some are able to overcome the opposition, and they are to be commended.

You will not understand this unless you look at power structure as a system, building off of historical precedents, that are social, legislative, and economic. So yes, you can say "show me an example of when a white person engaged in an act of racism" (which I can do on a daily basis BTW, I can't believe anyone would argue that racism is not still a huge problem) but the truth is many of us in the majority DO without realizing it.

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I agree.

It is true we have made great strides in Racial equality in our country but racism, i am sad to say, is alive and well.

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