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Dudesky · #1 05-08-2012, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Honus

GOP.

Promote voter fraud by requiring ID thus preventing cheating.
Gimmee a hit of that stuff.

Honus · #2 05-08-2012, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Dudesky

Promote voter fraud by requiring ID thus preventing cheating.
Gimmee a hit of that stuff.

I'm just high on facts here. I haven't read the article mentioned in the OP yet, but everything else I've read says that voter fraud is a GOP fantasy. GOP-backed laws making it tougher to vote are real. If you've got evidence to the contrary, let's see it.

Dudesky · #3 05-08-2012, 11:04 AM

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I'm just high on facts here. I haven't read the article mentioned in the OP yet, but everything else I've read says that voter fraud is a GOP fantasy. GOP-backed laws making it tougher to vote are real. If you've got evidence to the contrary, let's see it.

Yeah, that's why the Secretary of States project was done.

Pooka · #4 05-08-2012, 11:57 AM

There has been only one case in Texas where voter fraud has been alleged. Several people have been arrested and indicted.

Details are here: Seven indicted for voter fraud in RUD election - Your Houston News: The Woodlands Villager: News

Many sources, including the Defendants themselves, have alluded to the possibility that all of the indicted are strong supporters of the Tea Party.

The gist of the matter is that very few voters were expected in this election which would elect members of a Rural Utilities District. The RUD decides on the amount of taxes to levy and if an RUD can join in with other RUD's or a city. In The Woodlands only businesses are taxes on property and not homeowners, and the RUD has the power to change this.

Just a few votes would be needed to throw the election, so these guys are supposed to have stepped up to the plate and committed voter fraud.

At least that is what the Attorney General of Texas is alleging. A trial is yet to be held.

The voting in question took place over a year ago, but the Republican Attorney General of Texas took a long time before bringing any charges. The rumor going 'round is that the Defendants bragged to a number of people about what they did and this sort of forced his hand on the matter, but that is just a rumor. It could be the Attorney General was too busy looking for other cases of voter fraud but finally gave up since there don't appear to be any.

I am sure all the facts about this will come out during the trials.

Pooka · #5 05-08-2012, 12:01 PM

And......

All of those accused of voter fraud in this instance would have had no trouble producing an ID, and yet they are alleged by the State of Texas to have committed the Felony of Voter Fraud.

So this whole voter ID thing works to prevent voter fraud?

Nope.

Dudesky · #6 05-08-2012, 12:54 PM

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There has been only one case in Texas where voter fraud has been alleged. Several people have been arrested and indicted.

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In Texas, evidence of voter fraud abounds. In recent years, my office has secured more than 50 voter fraud convictions. Those include a woman who voted in place of her dead mother, a political operative who cast ballots for two people, and a city councilmember who registered foreign nationals to vote in an election decided by 19 votes. Voter fraud is hard to detect, so cases like these are just the tip of the iceberg.

In Texas, evidence of voter fraud abounds

Honus · #7 05-08-2012, 01:30 PM

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In Texas, evidence of voter fraud abounds

I love the part that you quoted:

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In Texas, evidence of voter fraud abounds. In recent years, my office has secured more than 50 voter fraud convictions. Those include a woman who voted in place of her dead mother, a political operative who cast ballots for two people, and a city councilmember who registered foreign nationals to vote in an election decided by 19 votes. Voter fraud is hard to detect, so cases like these are just the tip of the iceberg. [emphasis added]

Tip of the iceberg, my butt. He claims 50 convictions, but only cites 3 cases where more stringent identification requirements would have made any difference. This is typical of voter fraud arguments. They raise the specter of people voting multiple times and voting for dead people, but then the overwhelming majority of the cases they cite have nothing to do with voter impersonation fraud. He says that voter fraud is hard to detect. Really? I would think that multiple votes by the same voter or votes by dead people would show up every time. Maybe now and then an imposter will get lucky and pick someone who is alive, registered to vote, and not likely to show up at the polls, but I find it hard to believe that people would concoct schemes based on such shaky assumptions. Abbott is full of baloney.

I still haven't read the article in the OP. Maybe it will cite evidence we haven't already seen.

Pooka · #8 05-08-2012, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dudesky

In Texas, evidence of voter fraud abounds

And an even minor reading of Abbot's claims show he has inflated his figures by about 100%.

So far Abbot has 26 real convictions. Not bad for a six year period during which 24,000,000 votes were cast.

That means that .00000108333 of one percent were found guilty of voter fraud.

But in the Montgomery County, Texas, RUD election there were only 12 votes cast, and 7 of them are now thought to be the result of Voter Fraud. Based on this number the percentage of fake votes in this election is 58%, so yes, it appears there is a problem with voter fraud in some parts of Texas.

By the way, the trial of the 'RUD 7' begins on September 17th.

Dudesky · #9 05-08-2012, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pooka

And an even minor reading of Abbot's claims show he has inflated his figures by about 100%.

So far Abbot has 26 real convictions. Not bad for a six year period during which 24,000,000 votes were cast.

That means that .00000108333 of one percent were found guilty of voter fraud.

But in the Montgomery County, Texas, RUD election there were only 12 votes cast, and 7 of them are now thought to be the result of Voter Fraud. Based on this number the percentage of fake votes in this election is 58%, so yes, it appears there is a problem with voter fraud in some parts of Texas.

By the way, the trial of the 'RUD 7' begins on September 17th.

Regardless, its more than one case.

I read somewhere Obama was all for voter ID. I guess his internal polling has made him change his mind.

Yak · #10 05-08-2012, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dudesky

In Texas, evidence of voter fraud abounds

An editorial by Greg Abbott, the Attorney General for Texas?

Check his math:

PolitiFact | Abbott touts 50 election fraud convictions; we subtract 29

He claims 50 convictions since 2002. He's spent millions of dollars pursuing this. He formed a special unit just to combat voter fraud.

Reality: 26 convictions, miscellaneous other results.

Evidence of fraud abounds in Texas, all right.

Dudesky · #11 05-08-2012, 10:52 PM

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An editorial by Greg Abbott, the Attorney General for Texas?

Check his math:

PolitiFact | Abbott touts 50 election fraud convictions; we subtract 29

He claims 50 convictions since 2002. He's spent millions of dollars pursuing this. He formed a special unit just to combat voter fraud.

Reality: 26 convictions, miscellaneous other results.

Evidence of fraud abounds in Texas, all right.

YAK...YAK...YAK.....than you for proving and supporting my point, like the original OP said, there was only one case of voter fraud in Tx and they said it hadn't been adjucated yet......so I must humbly thank you for supporting my point.
I love you man....

retmil46 · #12 05-08-2012, 12:23 PM

Neither party is as pure as the driven snow when it comes to election fraud - which is as old as elections themselves - whether it be thru "legal" means such as redrawing districts to create "safe" seats for one party or the other - or outright cheating such as "misplacing" absentee ballots or delaying their initial mailing such that they won't return in time to be valid.

In Texas, you had Tom Delay try to strongarm events to redraw districts to create a permanent R majority in the state legislature.

In NC, the D's have long had the districts so gerrymandered that nearly half the state house districts were a one-horse race, with only a D on the ballot, for several decades. This past election was the first time in OVER A CENTURY that anything close to an R majority was elected to the state house - mainly out of disgust, not so much with BO, but what could arguably be the most incompetent Governor elected by any state in modern times - that had her own party literally beg her not to run for reelection.

I don't know about proving voter fraud - but do I believe that people in BOTH parties have at least attempted voter fraud now or in the past? Damn right.

Pooka · #13 05-08-2012, 12:35 PM

And Tom DeLay is now a convicted Felon.

Tom DeLay is also famous for lashing out at Republicans for compromising with anyone. His famous line is that only real leaders never compromise. Rush Limbaugh said that DeLay was right and that anyone who compromised was weak and unfit for office.

Republicans seemed to forget about this line when Obama refused to Compromise on an issue.

DeLay is now on the comeback trail and is a regular at Tea Party events in Texas. I wonder if he is pushing for Texas' Gov. Rick Perry to grant him a full pardon so he can run for office again?

Dudesky · #14 05-20-2012, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Honus

I'm just high on facts here. I haven't read the article mentioned in the OP yet, but everything else I've read says that voter fraud is a GOP fantasy. GOP-backed laws making it tougher to vote are real. If you've got evidence to the contrary, let's see it.

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I have learned that Florida election officials are set to announce that the secretary of state has discovered and purged up to 53,000 dead voters from the voter rolls in Florida.
How could 53,000 dead voters have sat on the polls for so long? Simple. Because Florida hadn’t been using the best available data revealing which voters have died. Florida is now using the nationwide Social Security Death Index for determining which voters should be purged because they have died.

Here is the bad news. Most states aren’t using the same database that Florida is. In fact, I have heard reports that some election officials won’t even remove voters even when they are presented with a death certificate. That means that voter rolls across the nation still are filled with dead voters, even if Florida is leading the way in detecting and removing them.

But surely people aren’t voting in the names of dead voters, the voter fraud deniers argue. Wrong.

Rule of Law » 53,000 Dead Voters Found in Florida

Boy, this could put a new angle on "Bush stole the election"

cmbdiesel · #15 05-20-2012, 08:36 PM

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Boy, this could put a new angle on "Bush stole the election"

For a guy who gets all rankled about wiki, you sure seem to accept unsubstantiated websites that agree with your POV.
This pjmedia story has absolutely no reference to where this info came from, just the opening comment "I have learned"...

Learned from whom?