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Old 05-12-2012, 11:34 AM
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Whoa, I wasn't aware of that, thanks. Jail.
the R secretary of state was in the midst of a divorce. At the time of the election he was on the payroll of the local government and wanted to keep being paid for the job he was doing so he falsified his address, using his old address where his ex lived. And voted there.

So he was convicted of voter fraud. Charges of defrauding the county or city govt that was paying him are a possibility.

And the R governor (Mitch McDaniel) has decided that he is doing a fine job as secretary and chosen not to remove him from office.

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Old 05-20-2012, 07:15 PM
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I'm just high on facts here. I haven't read the article mentioned in the OP yet, but everything else I've read says that voter fraud is a GOP fantasy. GOP-backed laws making it tougher to vote are real. If you've got evidence to the contrary, let's see it.




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I have learned that Florida election officials are set to announce that the secretary of state has discovered and purged up to 53,000 dead voters from the voter rolls in Florida.
How could 53,000 dead voters have sat on the polls for so long? Simple. Because Florida hadn’t been using the best available data revealing which voters have died. Florida is now using the nationwide Social Security Death Index for determining which voters should be purged because they have died.


Here is the bad news. Most states aren’t using the same database that Florida is. In fact, I have heard reports that some election officials won’t even remove voters even when they are presented with a death certificate. That means that voter rolls across the nation still are filled with dead voters, even if Florida is leading the way in detecting and removing them.

But surely people aren’t voting in the names of dead voters, the voter fraud deniers argue. Wrong.

Rule of Law » 53,000 Dead Voters Found in Florida

Boy, this could put a new angle on "Bush stole the election"
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Old 05-20-2012, 08:36 PM
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Boy, this could put a new angle on "Bush stole the election"
For a guy who gets all rankled about wiki, you sure seem to accept unsubstantiated websites that agree with your POV.
This pjmedia story has absolutely no reference to where this info came from, just the opening comment "I have learned"...

Learned from whom?
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Old 05-20-2012, 08:50 PM
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For a guy who gets all rankled about wiki, you sure seem to accept unsubstantiated websites that agree with your POV.
This pjmedia story has absolutely no reference to where this info came from, just the opening comment "I have learned"...

Learned from whom?
Why is PJ media an unsubstantiated website?
Above that, you obviously missed the first line in the story:

I have learned that Florida election officials are set to announce that the secretary of state has discovered and purged up to 53,000 dead voters from the voter rolls in Florida.

Has Fla announced it yet CMB?

Jumping the gun I'd say.

And who or what says this in my POV?
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Old 05-20-2012, 08:58 PM
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Boy, this could put a new angle on "Bush stole the election"
Let's assume that every word of that is true. We are still waiting to see evidence of the sort of voter fraud that these voter ID laws are supposed to address. The more evidence people cite of other types of supposed voter fraud, the more it seems that voter ID laws are about disenfranchisement, not election integrity.
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Old 05-20-2012, 09:06 PM
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Let's assume that every word of that is true. We are still waiting to see evidence of the sort of voter fraud that these voter ID laws are supposed to address. The more evidence people cite of other types of supposed voter fraud, the more it seems that voter ID laws are about disenfranchisement, not election integrity.
What part of my post did you miss?


I have learned that Florida election officials are set to announce that the secretary of state has discovered and purged up to 53,000 dead voters from the voter rolls in Florida.

Have they announced it yet? No

If they don't...BINGO you got PJ Media. And I bet you don't.

You may want to google 'fla dead voting' from that site that contributes heavily to the Obama campaign.
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Old 05-20-2012, 09:38 PM
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What part of my post did you miss?


I have learned that Florida election officials are set to announce that the secretary of state has discovered and purged up to 53,000 dead voters from the voter rolls in Florida.

Have they announced it yet? No

If they don't...BINGO you got PJ Media. And I bet you don't.

You may want to google 'fla dead voting' from that site that contributes heavily to the Obama campaign.
You lost me. The PJ Media article says:
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...Making Keaton’s fraud easier was Oregon’s vote by mail scheme...
What does any of this have to do with voter ID laws?
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Old 05-20-2012, 10:20 PM
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How do voters in 'vote-by-mail' prove their eligibility? I'm guess with some sort of ID, but perhaps there's something else?
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Old 05-20-2012, 10:33 PM
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You lost me. The PJ Media article says:What does any of this have to do with voter ID laws?

Cheating/ fraud.
You that naive to miss the point?
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Old 05-21-2012, 07:44 AM
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My goodness, I didn't think that people would commit voter fraud. That's you, illegal.

What can be done to reduce the probability of fraudulent voting?
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Old 05-21-2012, 08:31 AM
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How do voters in 'vote-by-mail' prove their eligibility? I'm guess with some sort of ID, but perhaps there's something else?
I was unclear. What I attempted to say is that the voter ID laws that are supposedly intended to prevent people from impersonating other voters at the polls on election day would do nothing to address the situation discussed in the article posted by Dudesky. I agree that some sort of documentation should be required before being permitted to vote by mail.
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Old 05-21-2012, 08:32 AM
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Cheating/ fraud.
You that naive to miss the point?
Someone is missing the point here and I don't think it's me.
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Old 05-21-2012, 08:36 AM
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After reading the Fox article, there is no mention of how many of these dead people have actually recorded a vote. Their names have just not been removed from the rolls. Pretty lousy data base management, but does not seem like a case of voter fraud.
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Old 05-21-2012, 08:40 AM
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You lost me. The PJ Media article says:What does any of this have to do with voter ID laws?
Absolutely nothing, I'm sure that out of 53,000 registered dead voters in Florida, not one never ever voted in an election.
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Old 05-21-2012, 08:46 AM
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Absolutely nothing, I'm sure that out of 53,000 registered dead voters in Florida, not one never ever voted in an election.
Did anyone ever show up on election day and cast a vote in the name of any of those dead voters? It should be easy to check that.

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