I do not consume any form of this product, but the US is dependent on the taxes generated from its' sales.

A Probation Officer I know says that 50% of all crime could be eliminated if this product were banned, at least in the rural Texas area he worked in.

I consume it in very limited quantities. My neighbor brought over a quart of eggnog made with Southern Comfort which I found to be quite tasty. I could go the rest of my life never touching a drop, if I decided to. I'm content with a drink once every couple of months or so.

I'd be inclined to agree with the probation officer you know, at least in some parts of the US. Other parts, drugs are the issue.

I'd be willing to agree if someone would claim that 75% or divorce is alcohol related as well.

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No...you're refusing to see this for what it is, a compromise. You regulate firearms to keep them out of the hands of kids and irresponsible, and we get to do the same to keep alcohol out of the hands of kids and irresponsible. How hard is that to take??

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x2, lets see how many parallel conversations we can have at once!

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The govt. tried this in the 30s. A whole new class of criminal emerged. One willing to provide what the govt. had taken away.

Banning anything is not going to curtail the desire to have and the willingness of some to provide what's been banned.

Drugs are banned in most areas. How's that ban working out?

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I agree; the government in a sense created organized Crime.

Ban Guns and the Criminals will sell them and make even more money; and, use them on the now defensless Public.

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It is sadly just an agenda of mostly the left. It might get more votes than whatever the new "crisis" garners. I was amused by a certain contingent of congress members who commented about the "trite" comments of the NRA. EG, guns don't kill people, people do and how that comment is really "trite." Well, can the same be said about automotibles? Do automobiles kill people or do people ? Most folks would most likely say people when using autos but insert guns, and it's now guns. We really don't need cars, or booze, or tobacco, and the list goes on. We crossed off pot, however. It's just what appears to be popular among the politicians at the time and what the media pimps. It is horrible that 26 folks passed away because a deranged young man went on his rampage. However, how many people die of starvation every minute of the day ? Around 15-18 depending on whose counting noses and their funding source. I rarely if ever hear the media comment on this. That certainly sounds a lot worst than once crazy guy and his AR-15. I just hope the "right" and the NRA get their act together and protect the citizens' right to bear arms, and that includes an AR-15 with a 100 round drum magazine.

The question we might ask ourselves is how do so many other countries, first, second and third world, get along without guns? Most of Europe has very stringent laws regarding gun ownership and their societies seem to function fairly well.

Most of them do have guns. They don't have a NRA. Of course it's more complex than that, but there might be some lessons learned from them if we can just let go a little.

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Geez... what did pot ever do to anybody??

I agree that there are a lot of other things that kill people, drunks in cars, malnutrition, hard drugs... these all point to an underlying sickness in our society.
Until we address the crumbling of our collective moral fiber, we will see increased demand to limit the tools utilized by the unhinged.
I believe that a huge part of the slow collapse can be directly attributed to the ever increasing gap between the haves and the have nots. Many people are born into situations with no hope, no opportunity, no real education, and no access to proper medical care and attentio.
This is an area where we need to focus attention. As long as our schools are underperforming and having to play surrogate parent for kids whose parents, or parent, are working 60 hours/week to keep a roof over their heads, the youth of this nation will not grow up to be well adjusted, productive members of our society.
Our funding for education is woefully inadequate, and it is a yearly struggle to get even a consistent level of funding.
We cannot expect our young to surpass or even keep up with the older generation if we do not take their education seriously. Our people need access to quality health care as well. We cannot just keep throwing up our hands and proclaiming that the latest mass murderer was mentally ill, and blaming those closest to them. We need to find a way to provide assistance to these people. To get them the help they need before they go off the deep end.

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[QUOTE=cmbdiesel;3071150]Geez... what did pot ever do to anybody??
In the big picture, pot is no different than booze and vice versa. I am not sure that pot is addictive whereas booze is or at least can be. Also, I really don't know if excessive long term pot smoking can cause terminal disease whereas booze can. BUT, I really think folks would be better off not using either or just using them every blue moon if that.

[QUOTE=greazzer;3071505]Pot is much less destructive to mind and body than alcohol. If one were to be illegal, it should be booze. Fortunately, neither will be soon.
There is no toxic level of weed, you cannot smoke yourself to death, a big enough bottle of booze, and you could be dead in an hour.

All things in moderation, especially moderation....

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1994 GMC Jimmy - 203000

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[QUOTE=greazzer;3071505]I have mixed feelings concerning Pot. Having spent time in Hospital Emergency Rooms People who drink Alcohol to excess clearly often maim and kill themselves and others. And, there is also domestic Alcoholic issues that harm families.
Pot does not have that direct of a connection to those things.

But, Pot smokers may also drink and often due other Drugs.

But, Pot has a connection to this thread because Gun Violence is often associated with Drugs and when someone buys Pot it is very likely helping to support that Violence.

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I wonder if there were an armed adult or two in that school the poor bastard would not have needed to kill himself.

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