If Gun Owners conceede and gave up their Rights to some of the items and Guns suggested and time proved that losing those Rights had no positive effect do you think the Government would restore their Rights?

I believe the answer is No.

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This crime has some similarities

April 16, 2007 Seung-Hui Cho
32 killed, 17 wounded and 6 injured escaping

Seung-Hui Cho - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Had known Mental issues, legal Alien, Passed the Back Round Check (did not say He had mental issues and Even though the a Court had ordered Treatment for those Mental Health issues evidently did not show up in the Back Round Check), bought 2 Hand Guns and used a used the Glock 19 pistol; Cho fired more than 170 shots during the killing spree, evidence technicians finding at least 17 empty Magazines at the scene

"On December 13, 2005, Cho was found "mentally ill and in need of hospitalization" by New River Valley Community Services Board.[65] The physician who examined Cho noted that he had a flat affect and depressed mood, even though Cho "denied suicidal thoughts and did not acknowledge symptoms of a thought disorder."[65] Based on this mental health examination and because Cho was suspected of being "an imminent danger to himself or others", he was detained temporarily at Carilion St. Albans Behavioral Health Center in Radford, Virginia, pending a commitment hearing before the Montgomery County, Virginia district court.[65]"

"Virginia Special Justice Paul Barnett certified in an order that Cho "presented an imminent danger to himself as a result of mental illness," but instead recommended treatment for Cho as an outpatient. On December 14, 2005, Cho was released from the mental health facility after Judge Barnett ordered Cho to undergo mental health treatment on an outpatient basis,[66] with a directive for the "court-ordered [outpatient] to follow all recommended treatments." Since Cho underwent only a minimal psychiatric assessment,[65] the true diagnosis for Cho's mental health status remains unknown."
"Investigative panel report

In the aftermath of the killing spree, Virginia Governor Timothy Kaine (D) appointed a panel to investigate the campus shootings, with plans for the panel to submit a report of its findings in approximately two to three months. Kaine also invited former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge to join the panel to "review Cho’s mental health history and how police responded to the tragedy."[112] To help investigate and analyze the emergency response surrounding the Virginia Tech shootings, Kaine hired the same company that investigated the Columbine High School massacre.[113]

The panel's final report devoted more than 30 pages to detailing Cho's mental health history. The report criticized Virginia Tech educators, administrators and mental health staff in failing to "connect the dots" from numerous incidents that were warning signs of Cho's mental instability beginning in his junior year. The report concluded that the school's mental health systems "failed for lack of resources, incorrect interpretation of privacy laws, and passivity."[35] The report called Virginia's mental health laws "flawed" and its mental health services "inadequate". The report also confirmed that Cho was able to purchase two guns in violation of federal law because of Virginia's inadequate background check requirements"

In the above stuff a non-citizen (leagal Alien) with know and certified Mental illness lies on His application to buy a Gun. Despite know and Court certified Mental Illness He passes is backround check.

Magazines. 170 Shots fired 17 empty Magazines found. This sounds like they were 10 round/shot Magazines. After 10 rounds/shots a Magazine is considered a High Copacity Magazine.

This particular situation Has a some of the Elements that many of the people posted wanted. Back Round Check and the Maginzine size limitation.
The result was 32 killed, 17 wounded and 6 injured escaping.

I don't see anything in the above stuff that I read or on the site that would indcate the NRA or any of the Members of the NRA could be liable.

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84 300D, 82 Volvo 244Gl Diesel

This crime has some similarities

April 16, 2007 Seung-Hui Cho
32 killed, 17 wounded and 6 injured escaping

Seung-Hui Cho - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Had known Mental issues, legal Alien, Passed the Back Round Check (did not say He had mental issues and Even though the a Court had ordered Treatment for those Mental Health issues evidently did not show up in the Back Round Check), bought 2 Hand Guns and used a used the Glock 19 pistol; Cho fired more than 170 shots during the killing spree, evidence technicians finding at least 17 empty Magazines at the scene

"On December 13, 2005, Cho was found "mentally ill and in need of hospitalization" by New River Valley Community Services Board.[65] The physician who examined Cho noted that he had a flat affect and depressed mood, even though Cho "denied suicidal thoughts and did not acknowledge symptoms of a thought disorder."[65] Based on this mental health examination and because Cho was suspected of being "an imminent danger to himself or others", he was detained temporarily at Carilion St. Albans Behavioral Health Center in Radford, Virginia, pending a commitment hearing before the Montgomery County, Virginia district court.[65]"

"Virginia Special Justice Paul Barnett certified in an order that Cho "presented an imminent danger to himself as a result of mental illness," but instead recommended treatment for Cho as an outpatient. On December 14, 2005, Cho was released from the mental health facility after Judge Barnett ordered Cho to undergo mental health treatment on an outpatient basis,[66] with a directive for the "court-ordered [outpatient] to follow all recommended treatments." Since Cho underwent only a minimal psychiatric assessment,[65] the true diagnosis for Cho's mental health status remains unknown."
"Investigative panel report

In the aftermath of the killing spree, Virginia Governor Timothy Kaine (D) appointed a panel to investigate the campus shootings, with plans for the panel to submit a report of its findings in approximately two to three months. Kaine also invited former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge to join the panel to "review Cho’s mental health history and how police responded to the tragedy."[112] To help investigate and analyze the emergency response surrounding the Virginia Tech shootings, Kaine hired the same company that investigated the Columbine High School massacre.[113]

The panel's final report devoted more than 30 pages to detailing Cho's mental health history. The report criticized Virginia Tech educators, administrators and mental health staff in failing to "connect the dots" from numerous incidents that were warning signs of Cho's mental instability beginning in his junior year. The report concluded that the school's mental health systems "failed for lack of resources, incorrect interpretation of privacy laws, and passivity."[35] The report called Virginia's mental health laws "flawed" and its mental health services "inadequate". The report also confirmed that Cho was able to purchase two guns in violation of federal law because of Virginia's inadequate background check requirements"

In the above stuff a non-citizen (leagal Alien) with know and certified Mental illness lies on His application to buy a Gun. Despite know and Court certified Mental Illness He passes is backround check.

Magazines. 170 Shots fired 17 empty Magazines found. This sounds like they were 10 round/shot Magazines. After 10 rounds/shots a Magazine is considered a High Copacity Magazine.

This particular situation Has a some of the Elements that many of the people posted wanted. Back Round Check and the Maginzine size limitation.
The result was 32 killed, 17 wounded and 6 injured escaping.

I don't see anything in the above stuff that I read or on the site that would indcate the NRA or any of the Members of the NRA could be liable.

I also picked this one incase some did not know that a Legal Alien could buy Fire Arms in this Country.

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LOTS of people in the ground from a .22 or .25.

I would hate to depend on hitting an intruder in the eye in the middle of the night in the dark.

Of course a perfectly placed 22 is lethal, I believe it may be the weapon of choice when a hit is made in controlled circumstances. Not much recoil or noise and minimal mess.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

two or three well placed .22s in the groin area (below navel and above balls) will put most people down, esp if its a .22 LRHP

Again, I would not want to count on being able to make three well placed shots in the dark. I feel I'd be lucky to hit the center of the torso under duress.

Heck, I bet a torso shot with my 12 ga will knock a man out even if he has a vest on...possibly stop his heart too.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

Shooting Bulletproof vest Level IIIA with 12 gauge shotgun!.AVI - YouTube

Uhh.. this is the internet. Everyone is 6'4", has visible abs, and can shoot the wings off a gnat at 500 yards... in the dark

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Do you mean Male or Female?

I don't need the extra 4"s but envy the rest of the description.

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There is a sort of urban legend that the .22 has killed more than any other caliber, or something. I don't know if there's any truth to it, but you hear it all the time. FBI recently released 2010 stats on LEOs killed in action. Most frequent caliber was .38sp and .40.
I really don't like shooting .40, way too snappy and hard to control. I fooled around with cutting powder weights way down on .40 reloads to the bare minimum that would cycle a pistol I had. Still didn't like it.

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1997 Suzuki Sidekick 4x4
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There was a time in the past were a lot of House Holds had a .22 Rifle or even a Piston for hunting small game or small varmints around their House or Farm.

It is also sort of a starter caliber that beginners use. My Father started Me off on a .22 Rifle and when I bought a Hand Gun the fist on was a .22.

So I am speculating that it is likely due to the sheer numbers of the .22 caliber Guns and the fact they are handled by beginners it has caused more accidental deaths than the other calibers.

If the it is a case that the Slide is not going back far enough it maybe someone makes a reduced tension Recoil Spring for target Shooting (I don't know what Gun you are using so I don't know if it is any sort of competition.)
A lower power Recoil Spring might not strip the Bullets out of the Magazine easily. But, if it worked it would be a cheap fix.
If you did that you would also need to remember not to shot the full power loads in it.

Install a Muzzle Brake? they decrease the Muzzle flip (sort of levering your Hand and Wrist) upwards; and the Brake directs the push of the Gun to a more straighter backwards push. I have no experience with them.

A more expensive option is if you could convert it to 9mm.

A cheap but harder way to would be to lift some Weights or other excersizes to build up the Muscle Mass in your wrists and Arms to dampen the reciol.

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My dad shot competitively both rifle and pistol. He was pretty good. He said if you want to get to be a good shot with a 45 or a 38 or other large caliber handguns, get an identical weapon in operation weight and so forth in 22 caliber and shoot thousands of rounds with it. Practicing with the heavy caliber gun makes you flinch when you squeeze off the trigger and you can't hit much at all.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

It was a Beretta 96F. Not exactly a tupperware pistol. I sold it. .40 is not my cuppa tea. After a lifetime of hand milking goats and cows and team roping steers my wrist strength is not an issue. Yeah, I could do all that stuff, but why? Give me a .45, Colt or ACP no matter. Any day.

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1985 F150 XLT 4x4, 351W with 270k miles, hay hauler
1997 Suzuki Sidekick 4x4
1993 Toyota 4wd Pickup 226K and counting

Here is a rear item; a News Media admitting an a so called Assult Weapon can be uesed for Hunting:

Thu, 27 Dec 2012 14:33:46 -0500
PHOENIX (AP) — Military-style semiautomatic rifles have been used in at least four high-profile shootings in the past year. Bushmaster variations of the weapon have been used two recent attacks, including the Newtown, Conn., school shootings and the Christmas Eve ambush slayings of two New York firefighters. While commonly called the AR-15, Colt and Armalite have been the only companies to make weapons by that specific name. Many other manufacturers, however, now sell similar versions of the rifle largely styled after the military's fully automatic M-16.

A look at the guns, their history and why they're so popular:

HOW WERE THE WEAPONS DEVELOPED?

Armalite first built the so-called AR-15 rifle for military use, but the design was later acquired by Colt, which produced the M-16 automatic weapon for the U.S. military. In the early 1960s, Colt then began marketing the semiautomatic AR-15 rifle largely as the civilian version of the fully-auto M-16. Many other companies have since begun manufacturing and selling AR-15-type rifles, but under different names, including the Remington Arms R-15, Bushmaster X-15 and Carbon 15 and the Smith & Wesson M&P15. The AR-15 has become the commonly-used generic term for all similar rifles.

WHAT ARE THEY USED FOR?

The AR-15-type rifles and .223 caliber ammunition are largely used for hunting small game like coyotes and prairie dogs. They also are extremely popular in shooting competitions due to the light weight of the gun and ammunition and the weapon's accuracy.
HOW DO YOU PURCHASE ONE?

Most military-style semiautomatic rifles were restricted for sale under the 1994 assault weapons ban that expired in 2004. Today, such weapons can be purchased in gun stores across the country.

ARE THERE ANY LIMITATIONS ON SALES?

Licensed dealers must first run a background check on the buyer to determine whether they are eligible under state and federal laws to own the weapon; convicted felons, for instance, cannot legally own firearms. However, private sellers of such rifles are not required to perform background checks. This would include a person selling their private collection to a buyer from their home, as well as private sellers hawking their weapons at any number of dozens of gun shows that occur nationwide every year.

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