Short answer: Yes.

A longer answer will have to wait until I get back from work. Gotta go now.

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Heres what Frankenstein is proposing.

http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/files/serve/?File_id=10993387-5d4d-4680-a872-ac8ca4359119


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/27/Sen-Feinstein-s-Assault-Weapons-Ban-Is-Really-A-Handgun-Ban

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It does not matter what someone thinks the Guns only use is or what someone thinks it was designed to use. The AR-15 is not a Military Weapon.
The fact is people do use it for hunting and that is a ligitimate use of the Gun; beyond the self defense use or target shooting.

It is certainly a better Gun to kill Coyotes with than the less powerful and less accurate .30 caliber M1 Carbines that People used to use to do that with.

Part of the problem for Me is that is people who are not interested in Firearms don't know the History behind their development.

The original Armilite Gun was the AR-10 in the 7.62mm NATO Caliber (used in the M-14 and M1-Garands were converted to it by installing a sleeve inside of the Chamber); the Civilian version is the .308 Caliber. This is a much more powerful Cartridge then the one used in the M-16. The Military was not interested in it and adopted the M-14; sort of a Modrenized M-1 Garand with a 20 Shot Magazine.
The .308 is a popular and good Deer sized game Cartridge.

When fired fully automatic 7.62mm NATO Cartridge shot in the size, weight and construction of an Infantry Rifle like the M-14 is hard to deliver controlled accurate fire.

So the Military started looking for a less powerful Cartridge. What they found is that with a less powerful cartridge there was a greater chance of actually hitting something on full auto.

The 5.56mm Cartridge used in the M-16 was developed from a lower powered Cartridge used to kill what are classified as Varmints (like Prairie Dogs).
As cartridges go the WWII 30.06 and the 7.62 mm Cartridges used by the Military are both more lethal than the 5.56mm.
With the right weight of Bullet the 30.06 can be used to hunt any game in the US or Canada.

So in sort the Military though it would be better to have an increased chance of hits during Full Auto Fire was worth the scrafice of a lower powered Cartridge.

So the AR-15 (or the Bushmaster) clone without the full automatic fire actually gives up a lot of potential lethality when compared to the larger more powerful cartridges.

Having fired the M-16A1 full auto in the Army you are taught to aim low some where between the Feet and the Knee to the left of the Target. when you fire the Gun rises up and acrossed to the right. It is easy to get off target after 3 shots in a burst.
They try to teach you to fire bursts like that but eventually the they installed a mechanism that allows only x amount of shots per burst on Full Auto (this was after My time).
Since the less powerful M-16 barrel rises during full auto fire I cannot imagine what it was like to try to control an M-14 on full Auto.

Anoter advantage of the small Cartridges the M-16 uses is the Soldier gets to carry more shots for the same weight than the larger more powerful cartridges.

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There was 2 Women Politicians in the LA area that started their career back in the 1980s on the Anti Gun ticket. Feinstein is was the most successful of the 2.

California is a good State for that because there I believe there is a majority of liberal Democrats out here.

In one of My other posts I indicated that I was still a Democrat. However, I don’t think I am so liberal and have often voted Republican when I thought they had a better candidate.

I have never and will never vote for Feinstein.

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It may not have penetrated the vest but it sure knocked a hole in the plywood behind it.

I do have some 00 buck loads for it.

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thanks for an honest straightforward response to a simple question.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

Do you mean Male or Female?

I don't need the extra 4"s but envy the rest of the description.

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There is a sort of urban legend that the .22 has killed more than any other caliber, or something. I don't know if there's any truth to it, but you hear it all the time. FBI recently released 2010 stats on LEOs killed in action. Most frequent caliber was .38sp and .40.
I really don't like shooting .40, way too snappy and hard to control. I fooled around with cutting powder weights way down on .40 reloads to the bare minimum that would cycle a pistol I had. Still didn't like it.

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School Secutity funding had evidently previously been cut.


"Fri, 28 Dec 2012 04:19:40 -0500
WASHINGTON (AP) — The student's attack began with a shotgun blast through the windows of a California high school. Rich Agundez, the El Cajon policeman assigned to the school, felt his mind shift into overdrive.

People yelled at him amid the chaos but he didn't hear. He experienced "a tunnel vision of concentration."

While two teachers and three students were injured when the glass shattered in the 2001 attack on Granite Hills High School, Agundez confronted the assailant and wounded him before he could get inside the school and use his second weapon, a handgun.

The National Rifle Association's response to a Connecticut school massacre envisions, in part, having trained, armed volunteers in every school in America. But Agundez, school safety experts and school board members say there's a huge difference between a trained law enforcement officer who becomes part of the school family — and a guard with a gun.

The NRA's proposal has sparked a debate across the country as gun control rises once again as a national issue. President Barack Obama promised to present a plan in January to confront gun violence in the aftermath of the killing of 20 Sandy Hook Elementary School students and six teachers in Newtown, Conn.

Agundez said what happened before the shooting in the San Diego County school should frame the debate over the NRA's proposal.

With a shooting at another county school just weeks before, Agundez had trained the staff in how to lock down the school, assigned evacuation points, instructed teachers to lock doors, close curtains and turn off the lights. He even told them computers should be used where possible to communicate, to lessen the chaos.

And his training? A former SWAT team member, Agundez' preparation placed him in simulated stressful situations and taught him to evade a shooter's bullets. And the kids in the school knew to follow his advice because they knew him. He spoke in their classrooms and counseled them when they came to him with problems.

In the wake of the Sandy Hook massacre, school boards, administrators, teachers and parents are reviewing their security measures.

School security officers can range from the best trained police officers to unarmed private guards. Some big city districts with gang problems and crime formed their own police agencies years ago. Others, after the murder of 13 people at Columbine High School in 1999, started joint agreements with local police departments to have officers assigned to schools — even though that was no guarantee of preventing violence. A trained police officer at Columbine confronted one of two shooters but couldn't prevent the death of 13 people.

"Our association would be uncomfortable with volunteers," said Mo Canady, executive director of the National Association of School Resource Officers — whose members are mostly trained law enforcement officers who "become part of the school family.'"

Canady questioned how police officers responding to reports of a shooter would know whether the person with a gun is a volunteer or the assailant.

Former Rep. Asa Hutchinson, who also was a top Homeland Security official and will head the NRA effort, said the program will have two key elements.

One is a model security plan "based on the latest, most up-to-date technical information from the foremost experts in their fields." Each school could tweak the plan to its own circumstances, and "armed, trained, qualified school security personnel will be but one element."

The second element may prove the more controversial because, to avoid massive funding for local authorities, it would use volunteers. Hutchinson said in his home state of Arkansas, his son was a volunteer with a local group "Watchdog Dads," who volunteered at schools to patrol playgrounds and provide added security.

He said retired police officers, former members of the military or rescue personnel would be among those likely to volunteer.

There's even debate over whether anyone should have a gun in a school, even a trained law enforcement officer.

"In general teachers don't want guns in schools period," said Dennis Van Roekel, president of the National Education Association, one of the two large unions representing teachers. He added that one size does not fit all districts and said the union has supported schools that wanted a trained officer. Most teachers, he said, do not want to be armed themselves.

"It's a school. It's not a place where guns should be," he commented.

The security situation around the country is mixed.

—The Snohomish School District north of Seattle got rid of its school officers because of the expense.

—The Las Vegas-based Clark County School District has its own police department and places armed officers in and around its 49 high school campuses. Officers patrol outside elementary and middle schools. The Washoe County School District in Nevada also has a police force, but it was only about a decade ago that the officers were authorized to carry guns on campus.

—In Milwaukee, a dozen city police officers cover the school district but spend most of their time in seven of the 25 high schools. In Madison, Wis., an armed police officer has worked in each of the district's four high schools since the mid-1990s.

—For the last five years, an armed police officer has worked in each of the two high schools and three middle schools in Champaign, Ill. Board of Education member Kristine Chalifoux said there are no plans to increase security, adding, "I don't want our country to become an armed police state."

—A Utah group is offering free concealed-weapons permit training for teachers as a result of the Connecticut shootings. Arizona Attorney General Tom Horne proposed a plan to allow one educator in each school to carry a gun.

Ed Massey, vice chairman of the Boone County, Ky., school board and president of the National School Boards Association, said his district has nine trained law enforcement officers for 23 schools and "would love to have one in every school."

"They bring a sense of security and have done tremendous work in deterring problems in school," he said. "The number of expulsions have dramatically decreased. We used to have 15 or 20 a year. Now we have one or two in the last three years."

An officer, he said, "is not just a hired gun. They have an office in the school. They are trained in crisis management, handling mass casualties and medical emergencies."

He said a poster given out by the local sheriff's department shows one of the officers and talks about literacy and reading.

Kenneth Trump, president of the National School Safety and Security Services consulting firm, said having trained officers in schools is "more of a prevention program than a reactive program if you have the right officers who want to work with kids."

But he also criticized a drop in funding for school security, saying, "Congress and the last two administrations have chipped away to the point of elimination of every program for school security and emergency planning."
Dr. Ronald Stephens, executive director of the National School Safety Center that provides training to schools, said the NRA's suggestion of using volunteers "is a whole new concept of school safety." He questioned whether the NRA wants to bring the best sharpshooters on campus.

"How is that going to create a positive atmosphere for young people?" he asked. "How does that work on the prevention side?"

Agundez, 52, who retired as a policeman in 2010, learned shortly before his retirement just how much his trained reaction to a shooter affected students at Granite Hills High.

He was writing a traffic ticket and the driver's whole body started shaking. He had been a student that day nine years earlier.

"He gave me a hug," Agundez recalled. "He said 'I always wanted to thank you.' You saved our lives."

___

Associated Press writers Todd Richmond, Michael Tarm, Greg Moore, Ken Ritter, Sandra Chereb and Donna Blankinship contributed to this report.

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Follow Larry Margasak on Twitter at http://Twitter.com/LarryMargasak"

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School Secutity funding had evidently previously been cut.


"Fri, 28 Dec 2012 04:19:40 -0500
WASHINGTON (AP) — The student's attack began with a shotgun blast through the windows of a California high school. Rich Agundez, the El Cajon policeman assigned to the school, felt his mind shift into overdrive.

People yelled at him amid the chaos but he didn't hear. He experienced "a tunnel vision of concentration."

While two teachers and three students were injured when the glass shattered in the 2001 attack on Granite Hills High School, Agundez confronted the assailant and wounded him before he could get inside the school and use his second weapon, a handgun.

The National Rifle Association's response to a Connecticut school massacre envisions, in part, having trained, armed volunteers in every school in America. But Agundez, school safety experts and school board members say there's a huge difference between a trained law enforcement officer who becomes part of the school family — and a guard with a gun.

The NRA's proposal has sparked a debate across the country as gun control rises once again as a national issue. President Barack Obama promised to present a plan in January to confront gun violence in the aftermath of the killing of 20 Sandy Hook Elementary School students and six teachers in Newtown, Conn.

Agundez said what happened before the shooting in the San Diego County school should frame the debate over the NRA's proposal.

With a shooting at another county school just weeks before, Agundez had trained the staff in how to lock down the school, assigned evacuation points, instructed teachers to lock doors, close curtains and turn off the lights. He even told them computers should be used where possible to communicate, to lessen the chaos.

And his training? A former SWAT team member, Agundez' preparation placed him in simulated stressful situations and taught him to evade a shooter's bullets. And the kids in the school knew to follow his advice because they knew him. He spoke in their classrooms and counseled them when they came to him with problems.

In the wake of the Sandy Hook massacre, school boards, administrators, teachers and parents are reviewing their security measures.

School security officers can range from the best trained police officers to unarmed private guards. Some big city districts with gang problems and crime formed their own police agencies years ago. Others, after the murder of 13 people at Columbine High School in 1999, started joint agreements with local police departments to have officers assigned to schools — even though that was no guarantee of preventing violence. A trained police officer at Columbine confronted one of two shooters but couldn't prevent the death of 13 people.

"Our association would be uncomfortable with volunteers," said Mo Canady, executive director of the National Association of School Resource Officers — whose members are mostly trained law enforcement officers who "become part of the school family.'"

Canady questioned how police officers responding to reports of a shooter would know whether the person with a gun is a volunteer or the assailant.

Former Rep. Asa Hutchinson, who also was a top Homeland Security official and will head the NRA effort, said the program will have two key elements.

One is a model security plan "based on the latest, most up-to-date technical information from the foremost experts in their fields." Each school could tweak the plan to its own circumstances, and "armed, trained, qualified school security personnel will be but one element."

The second element may prove the more controversial because, to avoid massive funding for local authorities, it would use volunteers. Hutchinson said in his home state of Arkansas, his son was a volunteer with a local group "Watchdog Dads," who volunteered at schools to patrol playgrounds and provide added security.

He said retired police officers, former members of the military or rescue personnel would be among those likely to volunteer.

There's even debate over whether anyone should have a gun in a school, even a trained law enforcement officer.

"In general teachers don't want guns in schools period," said Dennis Van Roekel, president of the National Education Association, one of the two large unions representing teachers. He added that one size does not fit all districts and said the union has supported schools that wanted a trained officer. Most teachers, he said, do not want to be armed themselves.

"It's a school. It's not a place where guns should be," he commented.

The security situation around the country is mixed.

—The Snohomish School District north of Seattle got rid of its school officers because of the expense.

—The Las Vegas-based Clark County School District has its own police department and places armed officers in and around its 49 high school campuses. Officers patrol outside elementary and middle schools. The Washoe County School District in Nevada also has a police force, but it was only about a decade ago that the officers were authorized to carry guns on campus.

—In Milwaukee, a dozen city police officers cover the school district but spend most of their time in seven of the 25 high schools. In Madison, Wis., an armed police officer has worked in each of the district's four high schools since the mid-1990s.

—For the last five years, an armed police officer has worked in each of the two high schools and three middle schools in Champaign, Ill. Board of Education member Kristine Chalifoux said there are no plans to increase security, adding, "I don't want our country to become an armed police state."

—A Utah group is offering free concealed-weapons permit training for teachers as a result of the Connecticut shootings. Arizona Attorney General Tom Horne proposed a plan to allow one educator in each school to carry a gun.

Ed Massey, vice chairman of the Boone County, Ky., school board and president of the National School Boards Association, said his district has nine trained law enforcement officers for 23 schools and "would love to have one in every school."

"They bring a sense of security and have done tremendous work in deterring problems in school," he said. "The number of expulsions have dramatically decreased. We used to have 15 or 20 a year. Now we have one or two in the last three years."

An officer, he said, "is not just a hired gun. They have an office in the school. They are trained in crisis management, handling mass casualties and medical emergencies."

He said a poster given out by the local sheriff's department shows one of the officers and talks about literacy and reading.

Kenneth Trump, president of the National School Safety and Security Services consulting firm, said having trained officers in schools is "more of a prevention program than a reactive program if you have the right officers who want to work with kids."

But he also criticized a drop in funding for school security, saying, "Congress and the last two administrations have chipped away to the point of elimination of every program for school security and emergency planning."
Dr. Ronald Stephens, executive director of the National School Safety Center that provides training to schools, said the NRA's suggestion of using volunteers "is a whole new concept of school safety." He questioned whether the NRA wants to bring the best sharpshooters on campus.

"How is that going to create a positive atmosphere for young people?" he asked. "How does that work on the prevention side?"

Agundez, 52, who retired as a policeman in 2010, learned shortly before his retirement just how much his trained reaction to a shooter affected students at Granite Hills High.

He was writing a traffic ticket and the driver's whole body started shaking. He had been a student that day nine years earlier.

"He gave me a hug," Agundez recalled. "He said 'I always wanted to thank you.' You saved our lives."

___

Associated Press writers Todd Richmond, Michael Tarm, Greg Moore, Ken Ritter, Sandra Chereb and Donna Blankinship contributed to this report.

___

Follow Larry Margasak on Twitter at http://Twitter.com/LarryMargasak"

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But dude.... the neocons, 'conservatives' and basically anyone on the right, have been chiseling away at all school funding for decades.

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I'm all for trained resource officers in schools. In my experience though, the reality is different than the concept. In my school, our resource officer was an on-duty sheriff's deputy assigned by the county. While I can't verify this, the ones the county sent us always looked like sort of, I don't know, schlubs; like ones who maybe couldn't quite pass the two mile run part of the physical, or maybe just barely qualified at the range. Nice guys and gals, but not necessarily people I would care to entrust the life of my kids to when push comes to shove.
In addition, their presence was at the whim of our understaffed county sheriff, and whenever there was a need elsewhere, they got called off campus. I can think of many more instances when their presence would have made a difference than when it actually did, and my school is a calm little country K-8 with 300 kids.
If this is going to be a plan that actually works it's going to have to be absolutely mandatory that the finest officers, who actually WANT and know HOW to deal with kids, teachers and parents in addition to being trained in crisis situations are placed on PERMANENT, INVIOLABLE duty on campus.

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1985 F150 XLT 4x4, 351W with 270k miles, hay hauler
1997 Suzuki Sidekick 4x4
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There was a time in the past were a lot of House Holds had a .22 Rifle or even a Piston for hunting small game or small varmints around their House or Farm.

It is also sort of a starter caliber that beginners use. My Father started Me off on a .22 Rifle and when I bought a Hand Gun the fist on was a .22.

So I am speculating that it is likely due to the sheer numbers of the .22 caliber Guns and the fact they are handled by beginners it has caused more accidental deaths than the other calibers.

If the it is a case that the Slide is not going back far enough it maybe someone makes a reduced tension Recoil Spring for target Shooting (I don't know what Gun you are using so I don't know if it is any sort of competition.)
A lower power Recoil Spring might not strip the Bullets out of the Magazine easily. But, if it worked it would be a cheap fix.
If you did that you would also need to remember not to shot the full power loads in it.

Install a Muzzle Brake? they decrease the Muzzle flip (sort of levering your Hand and Wrist) upwards; and the Brake directs the push of the Gun to a more straighter backwards push. I have no experience with them.

A more expensive option is if you could convert it to 9mm.

A cheap but harder way to would be to lift some Weights or other excersizes to build up the Muscle Mass in your wrists and Arms to dampen the reciol.

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My dad shot competitively both rifle and pistol. He was pretty good. He said if you want to get to be a good shot with a 45 or a 38 or other large caliber handguns, get an identical weapon in operation weight and so forth in 22 caliber and shoot thousands of rounds with it. Practicing with the heavy caliber gun makes you flinch when you squeeze off the trigger and you can't hit much at all.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

The thing about .40 cal is that most pistols that chamber it are polymer frame and very light. This makes the recoil seem more vigorous. A 1911 .45 throws a bigger chunk of lead down range with a bit more energy, but the weight of all that steel dampens the recoil rather a lot.

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88 Jaguar XJS V12 94,xxx miles. Work in progress.
99 Mazda Miata 183,xxx miles.