Heaven, Hell and the Devil - Page 5 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

elchivito · #61 06-23-2013, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Clk Man

I know that He exist and can't understand why anyone would think and different. The Lord has helped the wife and I many times through our lives.
Just two years ago, my wife Vickie was on her death bed with chronic liver disease. The Doctors gave her less than a year to live. I git on my knees and prayed for her and many others like jplinville, junkyard jim, and several others. Within a week my wife was completely healed. Even the Doctors couldn't explain it. My printing and sign business was going down hill, I prayed about it, and now we are in GREAT shape. Just this weekend, I was able to buy an almost new digital programable paper cutter. I praise My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ so much.

Provide proof that an amputee regrew a limb through prayer and I'll pay attention. If Jesus can heal terminal liver disease he can certainly give a war hero a new right arm. Any other healings are coincidence, good fortune. Unless god somehow hates amputees. Who knows?

davidmash · #62 06-23-2013, 09:33 PM

Wait your turn. I'm still waiting for someone to prove that Zeus does not exist.

Skid Row Joe · #63 06-23-2013, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Clk Man

I know that He exist and can't understand why anyone would think and different. The Lord has helped the wife and I many times through our lives.
Just two years ago, my wife Vickie was on her death bed with chronic liver disease. The Doctors gave her less than a year to live. I git on my knees and prayed for her and many others like jplinville, junkyard jim, and several others. Within a week my wife was completely healed. Even the Doctors couldn't explain it. My printing and sign business was going down hill, I prayed about it, and now we are in GREAT shape. Just this weekend, I was able to buy an almost new digital programable paper cutter. I praise My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ so much.

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Originally Posted by aklim

Same as it is in a crazy person's mind or the drug addled mind of an addict on hallucinogens. Doesn't make it real. In my mind, the Victoria Secret models and the girls from Vivid Pictures are fighting about who gets me tonight too.

Neither one of you can present proof one way or the other, to support your REAL OR IMAGINED BELIEFS.

You've both got some presenting of proof to do when it comes to credibility......as does anyone that makes claims about the fictional subjects presented on this thread's title line.

Prove it, or disprove anything one way or the other, RE: thread's subject matter, and I'll be satisfied. Until then - it's ALL fiction to me.

jplinville · #64 06-23-2013, 09:59 PM

The question shouldn't be "Do you believe in Heaven or Hell", it should be "Do you have faith in spiritual being greater than you?"

Those that put their faith in science alone are following science as a religion. Science has given us the big bang theory, yet it hasn't been proven. Science has given us many theories that haven't been proven, yet are taught in public schools. That basis alone is enough to warrant bringing a mandatory course into the public schools that teach religious beliefs and their backgrounds and origins.

The Clk Man · #65 06-23-2013, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

Provide proof that an amputee regrew a limb through prayer and I'll pay attention. If Jesus can heal terminal liver disease he can certainly give a war hero a new right arm. Any other healings are coincidence, good fortune. Unless god somehow hates amputees. Who knows?

I can not answer that question, only the Lord knows why. I just know what He has done for me in my lifetime.

The Clk Man · #66 06-23-2013, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe

Neither one of you can present proof one way or the other, to support your REAL OR IMAGINED BELIEFS.

You've both got some presenting of proof to do when it comes to credibility......as does anyone that makes claims about the fictional subjects presented on this thread's title line.

Prove it, or disprove anything one way or the other, RE: thread's subject matter, and I'll be satisfied. Until then - it's ALL fiction to me.

I didn't know that I had to answer to you skidmark.

Just kidding.

aklim · #67 06-23-2013, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe

Neither one of you can present proof one way or the other, to support your REAL OR IMAGINED BELIEFS.

You've both got some presenting of proof to do when it comes to credibility......as does anyone that makes claims about the fictional subjects presented on this thread's title line.

Prove it, or disprove anything one way or the other, RE: thread's subject matter, and I'll be satisfied. Until then - it's ALL fiction to me.

If someone makes the claim something exists, let them prove it. I thought that was the method usually used. Or is it so that you claim what you want and I have to disprove it?

aklim · #68 06-23-2013, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

The question shouldn't be "Do you believe in Heaven or Hell", it should be "Do you have faith in spiritual being greater than you?"

Those that put their faith in science alone are following science as a religion. Science has given us the big bang theory, yet it hasn't been proven. Science has given us many theories that haven't been proven, yet are taught in public schools. That basis alone is enough to warrant bringing a mandatory course into the public schools that teach religious beliefs and their backgrounds and origins.

The Big Bang Theory is listed as that. A THEORY. Nobody ever said it was the truth. Religion, OTOH, purports to be the truth.

The Clk Man · #69 06-23-2013, 10:12 PM

This is a fellow believer. I think he's cool.

Daredevil Wallenda walks gorge near Grand Canyon

Skid Row Joe · #70 06-23-2013, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

If someone makes the claim something exists, let them prove it. I thought that was the method usually used. Or is it so that you claim what you want and I have to disprove it?

I agree, only to the extent that if you cannot prove one's beliefs otherwise, you're out in the cold too. You cannot bash what you don't think exists, no?

Show/prove none of the thesis' exist, and I'll be satisfied same as if they were proven to exist. Until then, it's ALL fiction to me.

All I want is proof - not ridicule toward other's beliefs......save that for junior high parties.

P.C. · #71 06-23-2013, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

The question shouldn't be "Do you believe in Heaven or Hell", it should be "Do you have faith in spiritual being greater than you?"

Those that put their faith in science alone are following science as a religion. Science has given us the big bang theory, yet it hasn't been proven. Science has given us many theories that haven't been proven, yet are taught in public schools. That basis alone is enough to warrant bringing a mandatory course into the public schools that teach religious beliefs and their backgrounds and origins.

You have all the time in the world to teach your kids your religion at home. If we bring the teaching of religious beliefs into schools, aren't you concerned that the government (You know, that same government that you mistrust?) will screw it all up? It is the government you know - how can we trust them to properly indoctrinate your children? Suppose that your children are Pentecostal and the school accidentally begins to teach them the Jewish religion?!? Oy vey!!!

DslBnz · #72 06-23-2013, 10:29 PM

This thread is very much proof of how limited in development the human mind really is.

If somebody can't accept other realities...Or distinguish the differences between faith, law and theory... .. .. Wowzers!

Skippy · #73 06-23-2013, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe

I agree, only to the extent that if you cannot prove one's beliefs otherwise, you're out in the cold too. You cannot bash what you don't think exists, no?

Show/prove none of the thesis' exist, and I'll be satisfied same as if they were proven to exist. Until then, it's ALL fiction to me.

All I want is proof - not ridicule toward other's beliefs......save that for junior high parties.

Exactly what are you on about? Aklim has expressed a strong atheist position. The bolded part of your post also seems to be a strong atheist position. Where is it the two of you disagree?

As for myself, I'm actually an apathetic agnostic, but for any practical purpose you could safely lump me in with the atheist crowd.

davidmash · #74 06-23-2013, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

The question shouldn't be "Do you believe in Heaven or Hell", it should be "Do you have faith in spiritual being greater than you?"

Those that put their faith in science alone are following science as a religion. Science has given us the big bang theory, yet it hasn't been proven. Science has given us many theories that haven't been proven, yet are taught in public schools. That basis alone is enough to warrant bringing a mandatory course into the public schools that teach religious beliefs and their backgrounds and origins.

Science is no more a religion than bald is a hair color. Religion does ot waiver or question its self. Science does. Science grows and changes based on the evidence. It is not a slave to its self.

How on earth does scientific theory justify teaching religion in school? And which religion should we teach? Wican? Satanic worship? Greek? Roman? Ancient Egyptian? Native American? Let me guess.... Christianity?

Jorn · #75 06-23-2013, 11:02 PM

In science the burden of proof is with the scientist that makes the claim. If religious people can proof for 100% the existence of a higher power that created all this beauty around us the world of science has no other choice then to except it as a fact. But no one can really make that claim, can they?

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