I'd take the stand down. No way I'd actually APOLOGIZE to anyone, let alone a piece of filth in a blue uniform.

As far as enforcing the law, the people tasked with enforcing laws are just as much of a problem as the law itself. If no one was willing to enforce a law, the law would be as good as void.

Please, aren't we done with the tough guy ghetto talk? Seriously? The other day you were just talking about punching a boss in the nose for firing you for something you considered wrong. I'll bet when push comes to shove, you wouldn't have the guts to stand on your own and be crying to the filth in a blue uniform for protection.

And that would be fine until someone decides to selectively NOT enforce a law you deem necessary and then you'd squeal like a stuck pig. Cops should NOT be allowed to selectively enforce laws or not. That is what the courts are for. You'd be fine not enforcing this law but how about one that affects your income? Think you'd go for a cop deciding to do this or not do that on a whim?

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Frankly, my tolerance for BS is a lot higher than most Americans' -- I very seldom go for help to the cops. And the one time when I did need help, they were most likely complicit in my vehicle being stolen from impound and exported. Less useful than nipples on a boar.

I take a dim view of cops, especially those in the DC area who seem to be more interested in harassing people and breaking up demonstrations than actually helping ordinary people.

Most likely complicit? You established that accusation, how? Just because they are lazy or irresponsible doesn't make them complicit.

Then get laws passed to allow these sort of things like lemonade stands to exist.

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Generally they do exist without harassment. I've seen several in the town where I grew up as well as down the shore this summer.

It's only when you get the combination of mentally deficient pigs and nosy neighbors that they get harassed.

Again, how did you determine that they are complicit in what happened to you? Guesswork or real evidence that will stand up in court.

Harassed with what? If you are saying that the law was not there and the cop was making it up as they went along, fair enough. Again, it will come to light in a court and get tossed out, etc, etc. OTOH, if they are enforcing the law then the real work that you don't want to do is to remove that law. Again, what you want is the cop to exercise selective judgment about which law to enforce and which to ignore. All is fine until they enforce a law you don't agree with or choose to ignore an infraction that harms you. A cop should ticket you if he thinks you broke a law. Whether you get punished is up to a judge to decide and not the cop. IF you want to give cops the power to enforce a law THEY, not YOU, THEY think should be enforced and let those go that THEY, not YOU, THEY think should be ignored then you have to STFU and just take it. You are trying to have it both ways to keep yourself happy. Either give the cop the power of judges or don't. You want them to exercise judgment when it suits you and not when it doesn't. Simply put, which way do you want it? Make the cop judge, jury and executioner or have him submit the case to a real judge? You seem pretty undecided and want to flip flop when it suits you.

On the one hand you curse and swear that they are being idiots. OTOH, you want them to have judicial power, basically. Which way do you want it?

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Nope, I don't want them to have judicial power. In (US) criminal law, a trial court's only power is to find someone guilty, since the default condition is innocence. Turning a blind eye and not bringing a case to court is simply maintaining the status quo.

I'm not proposing that police have the power to judge people guilty of crimes.

Not DC Metro Police...they are US Capitol police on capitol grounds.

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Excellent.

X2.

The only problem is when they go beyond what they are tasked to do and get into the "power trip" and violate the rights of the citizen in a huge way. We've seen plenty of that.

But, if they simply enforce the laws as written, no more, and no less, I'm perfectly fine with that.

Your solution without police is patently ridiculous.

My solution wouldn't involve "no cops." My solution would involve "overworked, understaffed cops that wouldn't have time to enforce trivial crap, since they'd be fully occupied with serious crimes." Sort of like NYC was in the 80s, where no one cared about firework salesmen in Chinatown or "quality of life" crimes.

And yeah, I'm willing to put up with a higher risk of being murdered or mugged for a degree of freedom.

And who would sign up for such a job and not be on the take or worse? You?

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If you think that there aren't currently cops on the take, you must be joking.

Mean cops on the take will ne all that's left

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