Funny- I saw a brown cow and now I know cows are brown.
I heard that also on the internet- and of course it's true because it's on the internet.

Agreed: I went to college at a private school, but I got a significant portion paid by financial aid since my family was somewhat hard up at the time. But if I were going to grad school, I'll probably end up going public, either in this country or abroad. Since I'm viewing it as professional school and would have enough money to go out on my own again after graduation, I'm not necessarily looking for prestige for the purpose of being hired by the best of the best.

Really?
I can't speak for other states, but resident tuition alone at AZ's three state Unis is 10K a year. Add books, lab fees, parking fees, all the other nickel and dime crap and living expenses whether in a dorm or off campus and you're looking at double that. What 19 year old possesses the skills to get a job that will pay him that kind of money?

When I first enrolled at ASU, tuition was 360 bucks a semester. Two weeks' tips waiting tables and I'd paid the semester's tuition. Another week and I had my books paid for. It's not quite that simple any more.

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The feds need to get out of the student loan business. Let student loans get pricey and harder to get, than colleges will drop their prices to keep enrollment up.

The problem is that college is to expensive now. I know people that went to Harvard and Yale 30 years ago for like $500 a semester or something stupid cheap like that. With inflation that should be around what $5k? Not $40k.

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IN THEORY, it does sound good. Invest in education and it will pay dividends, etc, etc.

In practice, we are giving more responsibility to the clown that cannot even do what he was supposed to do.

So, is it a practice to give a guy a promotion, increase in responsibility or whatever it is you call it when they have proven that they cannot handle their current responsibility or do we do what the battered wife does when her wife beating husband says "Honey, if you take me back, I swear I will never lay a hand on you again. I know I promised that many times over our marriage but this time, I really mean it."?

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Really.......

If you want something - work for it - or, pay as you go to school. I know those are abstract concepts to some that seem to want everything free.

If you can't pay for your schooling, why would you expect someone else to pay for it?

Where I went to school, it now costs $30K+ a year. You can't afford it? Get a job and save for it, or, I guess you won't be there. Nor should anyone be there that can't pay the freight. Life isn't fair, but in America, it doesn't just take a lot (I've discovered) to succeed.

I had no say in the matter. In my case, my Mother and Father were such high achievers, they cash flowed everything for me and my (3) Brothers. Private, in state and out of state edu included. Did I get a better edu? NO! Am I prepared by my edu? You damm right I am! 39 yrs. later - I done OK. Thank you Mom and Dad!

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The cost of the private Military Academy I attended in my high school and junior college years was ridiculous then in terms of dollars - and it's ridiculous now.

The experience prepared me big time for my working life as an adult in regards the discipline - however, it did NOTHING in the way of an advanced edu.

No, if I ever decide to attend law school, or petroleum engineering school, it will not be at a private edu. It will be @ the Univ. Texas or Oklahoma State Univ. or Oklahoma Univ. or for law school, practically anywhere but a private edu.

Just my experience.....

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Thing is, the concept of govt investment is a good idea. However, the broad concept is it follows the australian model. The devil is in the details. They have proven recently that Solindra was a bad investment. Further to that, they have proved that they ignore inconvenient facts to run a political stunt. So, should we trust them with even bigger sums of money?

The strange concept is that you have proven to be a moron, come late to work, barely get your work done on a perfect day. Should I give you more responsibility and hope that you grow into it and life is good or should I keep you where you are and limit your responsibilities? This is assuming that for political reasons, I cannot fire you. My choice in that case would be to limit your potential for damage and not give you more chance to screw up. If you can't even do your accounting using GAAP and must use a Cash Basis accounting system, something is screwy.

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Assuming the system is only supported by a levy on incomes of people who agreed to pay after graduation (and the initial money is raised via a loan or bonds), what's your problem with it? All parties will have made an explicit agreement to pay, and no money from unwilling parties will be used.

ASSUMING all you say happens and nobody renege on their agreements and the money raised is not abused, sure. Again, the theory sounds good. The executioner of the theory cannot even balance their checkbook and has recently "invested" in a stupid way. So to answer your question, the problem I have with it is the person who is writing the law and making it work.

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What the blue fawk does the Oregon Department of Education have to do with the Federal Department of Energy?

There are vast differences in corruption and competence levels between different governments and even between agencies in the same government. Compare Minneapolis to Detroit city government. Switzerland to Zimbabwe .. get the idea?

Who will write the rules for the Dept of Education to follow? The Australians? I'd have a little more faith in them.

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Presumably the Oregon state legislature.

I see your point. They could NEVER divert money or do something for political gains. Like the battered wife, this time it will be different.

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Are you proposing no public services at all, since money could be diverted? Hope you have a large water tank on hand if you have a house fire.