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Old 07-08-2013, 11:14 PM
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No surprise.

The situation with BA and the RR engines bears no resemblance to this accident, and you know it.
Well, the RR engine fuel system has been redesigned and I doubt other engine builders..ie" GE, didn't get to check theirs too.

Now lookee here...I said it is not always PE, not, it couldn't be. The jet had just descended from 350 so it was in -55f air temperatures just like the BA flight.
Just tryin' to give the poor PiC a break.

Seems now he was a NooB on the 777.



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Old 07-08-2013, 11:19 PM
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Just landed at SFO next to the debris field.

Very surreal.

Latest news reports are indicating that one of the fatalities was alive until she was run over by an emergency vehicle.

Horrible all the way around.
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Old 07-09-2013, 07:34 AM
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Amateur video - Youtube

Man catches plane crash on camera - YouTube

Amateur video of crash. It is from a distance but you can see the plane cartwheel. I am amazed that it didn't kill everyone on board.

Sorry if this is a repost.
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:33 PM
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Well, the RR engine fuel system has been redesigned and I doubt other engine builders..ie" GE, didn't get to check theirs too.

Now lookee here...I said it is not always PE, not, it couldn't be. The jet had just descended from 350 so it was in -55f air temperatures just like the BA flight.
Just tryin' to give the poor PiC a break.

Seems now he was a NooB on the 777.



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As I said to Spud............"it could be anything".

But, since we are armchair quarterbacks, we get to make an educated guess prior to the NTSB report.

Since we are making educated guesses, my humble opinion says PE..........especially when considering he was very new to the aircraft and never landed at SFO before.
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:47 PM
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As I said to Spud............"it could be anything".

But, since we are armchair quarterbacks, we get to make an educated guess prior to the NTSB report.

Since we are making educated guesses, my humble opinion says PE..........especially when considering he was very new to the aircraft and never landed at SFO before.
Very true.

Now they report one survivor, thrown clear, was run over by an emergency vehicle.!
How unfortunate can you get?

I remember the Sioux City crash when emergency crews thought 'what are all these people doing out here.' not realizing they where passengers thrown clear or had got out.



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Very true.

Now they report one survivor, thrown clear, was run over by an emergency vehicle.!
How unfortunate can you get?

I remember the Sioux City crash when emergency crews thought 'what are all these people doing out here.' not realizing they where passengers thrown clear or had got out.



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"Thrown clear" is a phrase you don't see much anymore. "Ejected from the vehicle" is more common, with the (generally correct) connotation of hitting the ground hard enough to cause problems ranging from sore knees (BTDT-low speed motorcycle crash) or road rash (also BTDT-fairly high speed bicycle crash) up to and including death.

Looks like pilot error to me. It usually is in a commercial aviation mishap.
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Didn't somebody say this aircraft had P&W engines, not RR? Is that correct?
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Old 07-09-2013, 07:57 AM
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Didn't somebody say this aircraft had P&W engines, not RR? Is that correct?
On Sunday, the NTSB spokesperson said Pratt and Whitney.
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