Originally Posted by TylerH860

So you're becoming our peachparts missionary? Spreading the word/love of god?

Coming from the same man who used to call himself the Emperor of Beer and would post random musings about his dog farting?

Also, who can forget this classic?

Hey Clayton !!!!!!!!!! - YouTube

Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe

"I'd rather laugh with the sinners, than die with the saints." ~Billy Joel

Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe

"I'd rather laugh with the sinners, than die with the saints." ~Billy Joel

Originally Posted by aklim

I think religion is made up to ensure good behavior. Either you behave or the invisible guy is going to get pissed. I think people need religion because they are weak and cannot do what they need to do on their own so they need a guy with a whip prodding at them. To make it more palatable, a "carrot" is offered.

There are those who can quit say booze, drugs or alcohol, whatever the vice is, etc, etc ON THEIR OWN. Others need a crutch to make it work. Problem with "I'm quitting (insert bad vice here) because of my (insert favorite person) is that someday, that person, for example might die and hence the reason for your continued good behavior is gone. What if we had something that endured past you? Well, now you have an everlasting "crutch" because you are took weak to do it on your own.

Originally Posted by MS Fowler

So, from where did all this that exists come from? You laugh off "God" as a joke, and substitute what--mere chance? I realize that both the "God" camp, and the "No god" camp have a problem with "In the beginning..." You would ask, " Where did God come from", and the believer would reply that God is always. But when the believer asks you, " Where did matter and energy come from?" you have no answer that is any better. All you have is your smirky superior attitude that you don't need any crutches. But, that is still no ultimate answer. Until you can answer with authority where everything began, I would think that just a bit of humility might be in order.

Originally Posted by aklim

The honest answer is "I don't know". As a side note, neither does the believer. He simply will regurgitate a stock answer that cannot be proven either. What is the difference between accepting an answer that cannot be proved vs IDK? One doesn't inspire you to search as much but both are not helpful. IMO throwing up an answer just to have an answer that could be wrong is worse than the truthful IDK.

Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Is that an answer, or the evasion of an answer because the answer might be uncomfortable?

I do agree, that the believer's answer is, in principle, not any better. We both have to accept that something is/ has been eternal.

The benefit to the believer is that order, rationality, and morality all stem from our Creator. For the nonbeliever, all those things are also the products of mere chance, and intrinsically non rational.

Originally Posted by The Clk Man

I was hoping that wouldn't turn into this kind of thread. I just wanted to put my Faith in God to the test in front of everyone here. And when this auction is over, everyone here will see see how the Lord Jesus Christ Works in a Believers Life. I have many other blessings from the Lord to post.

Originally Posted by aklim

IF you had a math problem and you gave it the answer of 45. Would you dig further than the guy who said IDK. Lets find out.

How is either scenario more rational? You are saying "I am not stealing because my creator says it is bad.". I am saying that we are not going to allow stealing because it causes chaos and we need a certain amount of order if we are going to live as a society.

Originally Posted by TylerH860

So you're becoming our peachparts missionary? Spreading the word/love of god?

Coming from the same man who used to call himself the Emperor of Beer and would post random musings about his dog farting?

Also, who can forget this classic?

Hey Clayton !!!!!!!!!! - YouTube

Originally Posted by davidmash

God is supposed to be omnipotent. If god gets credit for the good he gets credit for the bad.

No idea if god knows better. Your god has not explained to me why a Nazi had to put a bullet in my grandfathers head or why my father had to endure over 5 years in Auschwitz to the point that when he was liberated he was not able to walk out on his own. No explanation on why my father had to help clean out the gas chambers of thousands of bodies (some of whom were his friends) and work obscene hours in the synthetic fuel plant on food (I use that term loosely) that that I would not feed my worst enemy.

Your god has not explained why Amanda Berry, Georgina DeJesus and Michelle Knight were held captive for years why being brutalized. Then there are the Caylee Marie Anthony of the world ... and the list goes on adnausium.

SO no, I do not believe god knows best as I do not believe there is a god. I believe that random crap happens. Good and bad know know bounds and do not discriminate.

If your god does exist, it better have a dam good explanation as to why my family had to suffer they way that they did. Other wise either it or I can go to hell because I want nothing to do with a capricious and vindictive god like that.

Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

God is the answer man has created for his questions.
A construct of fallible man.

I see no reason to make the leap into believing that one (or any) religion has gotten the right answer, as they all seem like guesses to me.
Akin to your example of looking at a complex math problem and answering 45.

I understand that the how, when, and why of man's existence are real brain benders, and have no issue with people answering these questions in a way which makes them feel better, just wish they could leave it at that, and not try to dominate the lives of others with their beliefs.

Order, rationality and morality should be functions of society, all of society.... not handed down on high from some twisted hierarchy of religion.

Originally Posted by davidmash

God is supposed to be omnipotent. If god gets credit for the good he gets credit for the bad.

No idea if god knows better. Your god has not explained to me why a Nazi had to put a bullet in my grandfathers head or why my father had to endure over 5 years in Auschwitz to the point that when he was liberated he was not able to walk out on his own. No explanation on why my father had to help clean out the gas chambers of thousands of bodies (some of whom were his friends) and work obscene hours in the synthetic fuel plant on food (I use that term loosely) that that I would not feed my worst enemy.

Your god has not explained why Amanda Berry, Georgina DeJesus and Michelle Knight were held captive for years why being brutalized. Then there are the Caylee Marie Anthony of the world ... and the list goes on adnausium.

SO no, I do not believe god knows best as I do not believe there is a god. I believe that random crap happens. Good and bad know know bounds and do not discriminate.

If your god does exist, it better have a dam good explanation as to why my family had to suffer they way that they did. Other wise either it or I can go to hell because I want nothing to do with a capricious and vindictive god like that.