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Air&Road · #**166** 07-15-2013, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Not to mention the back of his head.

As noted above, nothing really matters except that Z was in fear for grave bodily injury or loss of life.

Had Z not shot M, M would likely have been charged with assault & battery.

All of the self proclaimed forensic experts on this forum are not considering what caused the damage to the back of Z's head. Not only was his head being struck hard from the front, it was being squeezed between Martins knuckles and the ground, concrete or whatever was underneath Z's head.

Of course aparantly, all of these self proclaimed forensic scientists are so tough that they can take such a head banging and not feel that they are in any immediate danger. I wonder how many of them have ever had their head beat on? Given the hardness of their heads, maybe all of them have, with no damage or pain whatsoever.

Air&Road · #**167** 07-15-2013, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by tbomachines

Mayor Nutter issues statement on Zimmerman verdict | 6abc.com

I don't understand why every politician has to have a public view on this

An MMA fighter doesn't even need to have a bag of skittles to be hell for dangerous and they are wearing padded gloves.

I am VERY disappointed in Nutters comments. Up until reading them I have always been VERY impressed with his stances on different things such as the curfew that was necessary a year or two ago, and the verbal dressing down he publicly gave to the youth of his city.

He is a really good, standup guy from what I've been able to determine. I expect that emotion is entering into his thought process on this, and/or evidently he did not follow the facts and testimonies of the trial.

tbomachines · #**168** 07-15-2013, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

An MMA fighter doesn't even need to have a bag of skittles to be hell for dangerous and they are wearing padded gloves.

I am VERY disappointed in Nutters comments. Up until reading them I have always been VERY impressed with his stances on different things such as the curfew that was necessary a year or two ago, and the verbal dressing down he publicly gave to the youth of his city.

He is a really good, standup guy from what I've been able to determine. I expect that emotion is entering into his thought process on this, and/or evidently he did not follow the facts and testimonies of the trial.

I've got mixed views on Nutter (actually having to live here) but those comments were not good. Its only going to fuel race tensions within a city which is already very racially tense. In either direction, I can't justify any "coming out" and taking sides on this case not being in the courtroom, other than something meant to keep the peace.

P.C. · #**169** 07-15-2013, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

All of the self proclaimed forensic experts on this forum are not considering what caused the damage to the back of Z's head. Not only was his head being struck hard from the front, it was being squeezed between Martins knuckles and the ground, concrete or whatever was underneath Z's head.

Of course aparantly, all of these self proclaimed forensic scientists are so tough that they can take such a head banging and not feel that they are in any immediate danger. I wonder how many of them have ever had their head beat on? Given the hardness of their heads, maybe all of them have, with no damage or pain whatsoever.

MTUpower · #**170** 07-15-2013, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

That would be a bad law. I had a friend whose batcrap insane landlady was convinced that he was making her ill and killing her with vodun. Even called the cops on him a couple of times, claiming that he was engaging in rituals in his apartment.

Would she have been justified in shooting him?

If the lady shoots your friend then go ahead and try that as a defense and see how far the lady gets. Not sure what "vodun" is, but I'd guess that the danger the lady felt may not be in the realm of killing someone in your hypothetical scenario. Each case is an individual case.

MTUpower · #**171** 07-15-2013, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ruchase

Although I wasn't expecting GZ to walk off that easy, I respect the decision...the trial was important, despite what people think. At the very least we can take comfort in the verdict knowing both sides had the opportunity to prove their case.

However, as a nation we need to seriously ask ourselves if this is the society we wish to live in - where gun toting insecure weaklings instigate a fight, and when they find themselves getting beat up, they tip the odds by using deadly force.

This is the America the NRA wants us to live in.

Why do you believe he "instigated a fight"?

The jury did not believe that and if you had a gun would you choose to get in a fist fight? GZ did not pull out his gun and then wrestle/tussle/fight with TM as far as anyone knows or would even speculate. It certainly appears that TM surprised GZ and sucker punched him and then put the ground and pound on him. GZ injuries are consistent with that, as well as TM bruised knuckles.

P.C. · #**172** 07-15-2013, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

All of the self proclaimed forensic experts on this forum are not considering what caused the damage to the back of Z's head. Not only was his head being struck hard from the front, it was being squeezed between Martins knuckles and the ground, concrete or whatever was underneath Z's head.

And as a forensic expert yourself, did you evaluate the course of medical treatment provided to Mr. Zimmerman as an indication of the severity of his injuries? I understand that the injuries were life threatening to the extent that they required liberal usage of mercurochrome and several band-aids.

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

Of course apparently, all of these self proclaimed forensic scientists are so tough that they can take such a head banging and not feel that they are in any immediate danger. I wonder how many of them have ever had their head beat on? Given the hardness of their heads, maybe all of them have, with no damage or pain whatsoever.

And good morning to you, Larry! Always nice to see you start the day with a round of insults to several members of this forum. Don't forget to cry and whine later when you get it back.

MTUpower · #**173** 07-15-2013, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

Dang. Well put indeed. And a fist fight that he (GZ) ultimately provoked.

Following someone walking around is provocation to you? That's "instigation"?

Once again- unless someone utters fighting words or they mortally threaten you the right to swing your fist ends where someone else's nose begins. The FBI found no racism on the part of GZ. Perhaps TM did feel mortally threatened- his world had a good amount of drugs, guns and fighting. The lesson here is don't bring a fist to a gun fight- or run to live another day if you don't know if someone has a gun. It certainly appears that TM surprised GZ, sucker punched him and then did the ground and pound.
Do you have a reason why TM knuckles were bruised and GZ's nose was broken and head bleeding?

P.C. · #**174** 07-15-2013, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

Following someone walking around is provocation to you? That's "instigation"?

Once again- unless someone udders fighting words or they mortally threaten you the right to swing your fist ends where someone else's nose begins. The FBI found no racism on the part of GZ. Perhaps TM did feel mortally threatened- his world had a good amount of drugs, guns and fighting. The lesson here is don't bring a fist to a gun fight- or run to live another day if you don't know if someone has a gun. It certainly appears that TM surprised GZ, sucker punched him and then did the ground and pound.
Do you have a reason why TM knuckles were bruised and GZ's nose was broken and head bleeding?

Funny how guys like this selectively trust the FBI...

P.C. · #**175** 07-15-2013, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

Following someone walking around is provocation to you? That's "instigation"?

Once again- unless someone udders fighting words or they mortally threaten you the right to swing your fist ends where someone else's nose begins. The FBI found no racism on the part of GZ. Perhaps TM did feel mortally threatened- his world had a good amount of drugs, guns and fighting. The lesson here is don't bring a fist to a gun fight- or run to live another day if you don't know if someone has a gun. It certainly appears that TM surprised GZ, sucker punched him and then did the ground and pound.
Do you have a reason why TM knuckles were bruised and GZ's nose was broken and head bleeding?

Psst! Cmac! MTU has me on ignore, so he can't see this! Tell him that the reason why TM's knuckles were bruised and GZ's nose was bleeding was because they were in a fight!

Txjake · #**176** 07-15-2013, 09:56 AM

TM made a fatal mistake attacking GZ, he thought he'd kick some ass and walk home with another beat down to his cred. oops. I guess he forgot some folks carry guns.

People used to take ass whuppings b/c we didn't have as strong self defense laws as we do now. The new laws have taken the "let's kick that dude's ass" component out of the equation for many instances. Dude may decide that "hey, I might get beat to death here" and pop a cap on his attackers and be perfectly within his rights.

To those who see only the racial component here, I am sorry, but fkn grow up. every confrontation between people of different races is NOT about race.

GZ was in a situation as watch captain where he felt a certain responsibility to survail and report. His neighborhood had been hit many times by burglars. It appears that TM, for whatever reason, decided to attack GZ. Bad move on his part. Until that time, it was nothing more than a tense, but legal situation. TM could have, should have, walked on...

Air&Road · #**177** 07-15-2013, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by tbomachines

I've got mixed views on Nutter (actually having to live here) but those comments were not good. Its only going to fuel race tensions within a city which is already very racially tense. In either direction, I can't justify any "coming out" and taking sides on this case not being in the courtroom, other than something meant to keep the peace.

Yes, it does seem that his words would throw a bit of gasoline on the fire.

Txjake · #**178** 07-15-2013, 10:02 AM

Various asshat celebs call for violence: Shouldn't Justice investigate each of these as hate speech?

Giants' Cruz apologizes after saying Zimmerman wouldn't 'last a year before the hood catches up to him' - NYPOST.com

Roddy White: Zimmerman Trial Jurors ‘Should Go Home Tonight And Kill Themselves’ « CBS Atlanta

TwitchKitty · #**179** 07-15-2013, 10:09 AM

Asshats indeed. Safe streets indeed.

/begin sarcasm

All kids doing what Trayvon Martin did should be killed.

/end sarcasm

Glad you agree.

The exercise of justice is joy for the righteous

t walgamuth · #**180** 07-15-2013, 10:10 AM

Maybe.