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Old 07-15-2013, 11:13 AM
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George Michael Zimmerman was born on October 5, 1983, in Manassas, Virginia,[53] and is the son of Gladys (née Mesa) Zimmerman, who was born in Peru,[2] and Robert Zimmerman, Sr., a retired Virginia magistrate.[54][55] He was raised as a Catholic,[2] in a family that his father has described as "multiracial;" his father is a white American of German descent[56] and his mother is Peruvian with some black ancestry through her Afro-Peruvian maternal grandfather.[2][Note 1]

Zimmerman's voter registration record lists him as Hispanic and a registered Democrat.[57


so, what is race? Is GZ white? hispanic? he could identify as black couldnt he? not as frekin simple as y'all would like it to be, is it?


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Old 07-15-2013, 11:19 AM
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Also remember, the media made a big deal of the "gated community" a mute acusation to it being an exclusive white haven. well here is the ethnic/racial mix of The Retreat at Twin Lakes :

The population in the development at the time of the shooting, was about 49% non-Hispanic white, 23% Hispanic (of any race), 20% black, and 5% Asian, according to Census figures

THE MEDIA IS PLAYING US................
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Old 07-15-2013, 11:22 AM
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George Michael Zimmerman was born on October 5, 1983, in Manassas, Virginia,[53] and is the son of Gladys (née Mesa) Zimmerman, who was born in Peru,[2] and Robert Zimmerman, Sr., a retired Virginia magistrate.[54][55] He was raised as a Catholic,[2] in a family that his father has described as "multiracial;" his father is a white American of German descent[56] and his mother is Peruvian with some black ancestry through her Afro-Peruvian maternal grandfather.[2][Note 1]

Zimmerman's voter registration record lists him as Hispanic and a registered Democrat.[57

so, what is race? Is GZ white? hispanic? he could identify as black couldnt he? no as frekin simple as y'all would like it to be, is it?
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here's a link to property for sale at The Retreat at Twin Lakes: 80-180K....

Retreat At Twin Lakes Townhouses for sale | Sanford Florida

not quite the bsation of lily white exclusiveness and rich people housing, eh?

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In September 2011, the Twin Lakes residents held an organizational meeting to create a neighborhood watch program. Zimmerman was selected by neighbors as the program's coordinator, according to Wendy Dorival, Neighborhood Watch organizer for the Sanford Police Department.[5][5][85]

GZ was selected as NW coordinator by the residents......
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On the evening of February 26, 2012, Zimmerman observed Martin as he returned to the Twin Lakes housing community after having walked to a nearby convenience store.[86] At the time, Zimmerman was driving through the neighborhood on a personal errand.[15] Zimmerman call to police
Menu0:00.7:09:34 PM, February 26, 2012

At approximately 7:09 PM,[Note 4] Zimmerman called the Sanford police non-emergency number to report what he considered a suspicious person in the Twin Lakes community.[88] Zimmerman stated, "We've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy."[2] He described an unknown male "just walking around looking about" in the rain and said, "This guy looks like he is up to no good or he is on drugs or something."[89] Zimmerman reported that the person had his hand in his waistband and was walking around looking at homes.[90] On the recording, Zimmerman is heard saying, "these *******s, they always get away."[91][92]

About two minutes into the call, Zimmerman said, "he's running."[35] The dispatcher asked, "He's running? Which way is he running?"[93] The sound of a car door chime is heard, indicating Zimmerman opened his car door.[94] Zimmerman followed Martin, eventually losing sight of him.[35] The dispatcher asked Zimmerman if he was following him. When Zimmerman answered, "yeah," the dispatcher said, "We don't need you to do that." Zimmerman responded, "Okay."[95] Zimmerman asked that police call him upon their arrival so he could provide his location.[35] Zimmerman ended the call at 7:15 p.m.[35]


No 911 call...though NBC and the other criminal organizations played it that way, in an effort to ramp up hysteria....
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He might be hard pressed to find a job because he is percieved as a hot headed dumbazz.

Or he might find gainful employment as a spokesman for the NRA, or as a commentator to assist Sara Palin on Fox news!
A "hot heated XXXXXXX" ???
By whom?
You and those like you which were admittedly ignorant of the facts of the case?
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For Me that was not the question.

The question was is armed Person allowed to instigate a confrontation where His life ends up being threatened and then shoot and Kill Someone?

In Florida the answer is evidently Yes.

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Since "instigation" was not proven I think your argument fails miserably.
As well as being ridiculous- an armed person rarely voluntarily gets into a physical confrontation- why would they when they have a gun? Duh....
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That would be a bad law. I had a friend whose batcrap insane landlady was convinced that he was making her ill and killing her with vodun. Even called the cops on him a couple of times, claiming that he was engaging in rituals in his apartment.

Would she have been justified in shooting him?
Can't comment exactly on the above.
But, it is a real problem when the Law does not put some specific definition or give some examples of what incidents might be considered life threatening; leaving it up to the Court or the Jury to decide on that.
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SFW?
Perhaps Zimmerman disliked/disowned his black ancestry, and held anti-black sentiments and exhibited anti-black behavior to repudiate that aspect of his ancestry.
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Since "instigation" was not proven I think your argument fails miserably.
As well as being ridiculous- an armed person rarely voluntarily gets into a physical confrontation- why would they when they have a gun? Duh....
Very difficult to combat such logic...
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Why do you believe he "instigated a fight"?

The jury did not believe that and if you had a gun would you choose to get in a fist fight? GZ did not pull out his gun and then wrestle/tussle/fight with TM as far as anyone knows or would even speculate. It certainly appears that TM surprised GZ and sucker punched him and then put the ground and pound on him. GZ injuries are consistent with that, as well as TM bruised knuckles.
Because of the other type of evidence; Circumstantial Evidence.

1. based on inference: containing or based on facts that allow a court to deduce that somebody is guilty without conclusive proof circumstantial evidence

So I think Z's actions previous to the Incident are considered Circumstantial Evidence. Who was Hunting Who?

In T's Cellphone conversation He knew He was being followed.

We don't know if He thought the Person Following Him was a threat to Him or not.

It could very well be that T thought His body or life was going to be threatened.
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I love Dershowitz. The guy is such a contrarian. I mostly disagree with his politics but I'll bet with a bottle of scotch and and evening to spare, the fellow could convince me of damned near anything.
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For Me that was not the question.

The question was is armed Person allowed to instigate a confrontation where His life ends up being threatened and then shoot and Kill Someone?

In Florida the answer is evidently Yes.

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What instigation?

Is it your opinion that if you think somebody maybe following you that it is okay to offer him a life-threatening ass-whupping?

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