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Air&Road · #**481** 07-17-2013, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

More assumptions....

You guys kill me with your grandstanding about how anyone who thinks the Zim got away with one is making all these assumptions, then fire right back with even bigger assumptions....

Repeatedly stating that the verdict was reached by rational people who had all the evidence, and is not at issue just seems to sail right over y'alls heads....

Simply stated, the incident would not have happened if the Zim had not gotten out of his damn vehicle.
Argue all you want about how it's his right to confront people, and how it's legal to shoot them after you do, but seriously, the first step in this dance was taken by the Zim. Without his initial actions, TM would likely still be alive.
And before you begin again with your version of assumptions, I DGAS what happened next, merely pointing out that the ball was put into play by the Zim.

Yes, Z was most definitely a dumbass for getting out of his car, but that is not what the trial was about. Of course if you don't follow the case and only listen to the ferry tale bull shlt that the MSM put out, then I guess you could come to that conclusion.

Air&Road · #**482** 07-17-2013, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

All bets are off after the initial confrontation.
the expression used was 'otherwise harmless'....
my contention is that TM would not have bashed anyone's skull into the concrete had he not been confronted.
speculation, I know, but I feel it is a reasonable leap.

Confronted? Following someone constitutes confrontation? Man, you have really soaked up the ferry tales haven't you. Have you bothered to analyze the facts of the case as presented in court?

cmbdiesel · #**483** 07-17-2013, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

Yes, Z was most definitely a dumbass for getting out of his car, but that is not what the trial was about. Of course if you don't follow the case and only listen to the ferry tale bull shlt that the MSM put out, then I guess you could come to that conclusion.

Jumpin jiminy Larry.... how 'bout you take your own advice and read before you post....

I'm good with the verdict already... OK??
Only decision that the jury could have made with the evidence and the current state of laws in FL.

However... in other parts of the country, the Zim would be behind bars for his actions.

Txjake · #**484** 07-17-2013, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Jumpin jiminy Larry.... how 'bout you take your own advice and read before you post....

I'm good with the verdict already... OK??
Only decision that the jury could have made with the evidence and the current state of laws in FL.

However... in other parts of the country, the Zim would be behind bars for his actions.

I think in OK he'd be walking free too.

Air&Road · #**485** 07-17-2013, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Yes

Assumption

I beg to differ. Those were the parts which the Zim's defense team saw as the most important, and those are the parts which got him exonerated, but for many... those were not the important aspects of this case.

Have you actually seen all of the testimony and evidence from the court case? I thought not.

cmbdiesel · #**486** 07-17-2013, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

Confronted? Following someone constitutes confrontation? Man, you have really soaked up the ferry tales haven't you. Have you bothered to analyze the facts of the case as presented in court?

Are you disputing that there was a confrontation?

I have already read your assumptions about how it went down ad nauseum.... now you're suggesting that it didn't happen??

Pick a set of assumptions and stick with them please.

And... to date I have not been aware of any water conveyances involved with this case

Air&Road · #**487** 07-17-2013, 11:06 AM

I should have said confronting rather than confrontation. TM did the confronting, NOT Z. Z was indeed a dumbass for following him, but being followed does not warrant pounding someones head against the concrete.

cmbdiesel · #**488** 07-17-2013, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

Have you actually seen all of the testimony and evidence from the court case? I thought not.

You assume that what the Zim said in his statements is fact.
I do not see the statement of a person whose ass is on the line as being necessarily the unvarnished truth.

greazzer · #**489** 07-17-2013, 11:08 AM

"The question that remains unanswered for me is how does someone initiate a pursuit have it back fire and them claim self defense. That just does not make any sense to me unless you are in Florida."

So, if a cop pulls over a driver, and that driver attacks the cop, and the cop blasts the driver ...that set of facts is nutty ? Admittedly, Mr. Zimmerman is no cop.

However, what "pursuit" was supposedly initated? Mr. Zimmerman got out of his car ... and that is about the extent of what we do know ... except when Mr. Zimmerman was told by the cops to go back to his car and he said "OK". Maybe he did just what he said and was headed back to his car.

Most of the media and the president and our illustrious attorney general now want to modify the concepts of self defense. I guess the social progressive agenda will have another crack at the 2nd Amendment.

Another sad day for the American public. It was and remains a tragedy for Mr. Martin and his family, but look at the collective toll now placed on the American public as a result of the media and our illustrous leaders. Since the cast of characters are now hyping up the crowds more and more, why hasn't there been an outcry of the dozens of attacks perpatrated against those not of color? You now, the revenge acts done in the name of Mr. Martin. Why hasn't the forum members been outraged and commented about these acts?

Air&Road · #**490** 07-17-2013, 11:09 AM

The saddest part of this whole mess is that Treyvon Martin is dead. The SECOND saddest thing is that our President, who is SUPPOSED to be a leader had a part in the frenzy early on and NOW with civil unrest looming, he is not taking a leadership role and asking for calm.

Instead he sends his henchman withHolder in front of NAACP to throw gasoline on the fire. Both of them should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.

I would not make such a case, but a case could indeed be made that the POTUS actually WANTS to see such civil unrest to divide the country.

cmbdiesel · #**491** 07-17-2013, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

I should have said confronting rather than confrontation. TM did the confronting, NOT Z. Z was indeed a dumbass for following him, but being followed does not warrant pounding someones head against the concrete.

More assumptions.... you just can't see the difference between facts and hearsay can ya???

Obviously, before you rave on again, we all understand that the hearsay evidence as supplied by the Zim was really the only POV supplied to the jurors, and there was enough corroborating evidence to make it potentially true.
This is why the jurors decided the way they did...
But, it is still hearsay and assumptions.

cmbdiesel · #**492** 07-17-2013, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by greazzer

It was and remains a tragedy for Mr. Martin and his family, but look at the collective toll now placed on the American public as a result of the media and our illustrous leaders. Since the cast of characters are now hyping up the crowds more and more, why hasn't there been an outcry of the dozens of attacks perpatrated against those not of color? You now, the revenge acts done in the name of Mr. Martin. Why hasn't the forum members been outraged and commented about these acts?

What acts of revenge?

It would seem as if it is you and yours that long for this civil unrest....
Maybe you'll get a chance to Stand Your Ground....

greazzer · #**493** 07-17-2013, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Jumpin jiminy Larry.... how 'bout you take your own advice and read before you post....

I'm good with the verdict already... OK??
Only decision that the jury could have made with the evidence and the current state of laws in FL.

However... in other parts of the country, the Zim would be behind bars for his actions.

I doubt he would be behind bars in Sunny South Carolina.

greazzer · #**494** 07-17-2013, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

What acts of revenge?

It would seem as if it is you and yours that long for this civil unrest....
Maybe you'll get a chance to Stand Your Ground....

You got to be kidding me ? There have been dozens of cases which have been mostly ignored by the media where folks have attacked others in the name of Mr. Martin to get their revenge. I have to log off now, but when I return, I will flood the thread with links of the stories. Now keep in mind, those who committed these acts clearly and freely stated these were reprisal acts of revenge / retaliation. Wowza ! Where's the outrage ? Where's the hate crimes investigations ? Where's the media ? Our illustrious presidente ? and others ?

cmbdiesel · #**495** 07-17-2013, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by greazzer

I doubt he would be behind bars in Sunny South Carolina.

I believe that South Carolina 16-11-440 stipulates using deadly force against another unlawfully entering residence, occupied vehicle or place of business.

Further, I do not believe that the SYG laws in SC protect the person who initiated the confrontation.

So.... he may well have been wearing stripes by now in SC as well....