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Old 07-17-2013, 04:19 PM
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Did you all miss the interview with the star prosecution witness on Monday night? She brought in a new angle that NO ONE has picked up on.

She says that while talking with him on her cell phone, she warned him that the adult following him ( no race mentioned) might be a gay man stalking Trevon with the intention to rape him. She advised him to run.
Of course he didn't run, but turned to face the alleged stalker. Trevon must not have been very tolerant of gay men, and therefore proceeded to bash his head and pummel him.

So whom do the liberals support? The poor black youth who was attacked by a white guy ( who wasn't really white), or the gay-bashing black youth, who was intolerant?

Tough decision for them.

It may have more to do with assumed behavior of an assumed gay man than anything racial.
Ah, so now you have the complete story nailed down in a nutshell. Watch out, Bot's gonna accuse you of mind reading.

Who initiate the confrontation? Who first began to F with the other?

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Old 07-17-2013, 04:24 PM
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That may be true. But Martin was guilty of criminal activity (assault) and got shot for it. A tragedy maybe. But I fail to see why Martin would not be regarded as the bigger dumbass. In what universe should you be able to expect to assault someone with impunity?
More mind reading. You're assuming that everything that Z said is the unvarnished truth. There is another scenario that is every bit as plausible.

Zimmerman behaved in a menacing manner to a youth who had not harmed or threatened him, even stalking him on foot while armed. He disregarded a police request to stand down and not pursue. GZ, in fact, went out of his way to place himself in a hostile stance such that TM feared for his safety. An armed man, who was not a police officer, was confronting him for uncertain reasons.

There is no witness testimony that doesn't begin earlier than the middle of the fight, other than TM's girlfriend. Her description of events rings true to me. SYG could very well offer TM as much right to defend himself as it supposedly did GZ.
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Old 07-17-2013, 04:35 PM
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Berkeley.
IOW, you have no argument. Your entire stance is based on the presumption that you can read GZ's mind and know with certainty that he has told the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

The jury you vaunt so highly has one member displaying to the world the degree of her air-headedness. The prosecution's performance was weak in this one. And the defense got a very favorable jury.

I'll agree that TM could well have been partly at fault in this and that it's likely that GZ believed he was acting in self defense. But the sum total of GZ's actions should have some penalty attached. Perhaps there is no legal category for it to fall into in. Not sure. But this is not full tilt, gold plated justice at play.

Time wounds all heels. GZ is going to have his every falling and skinning of knees breathlessly reported in future. His going to be in the Rodney King category of public scrutiny. His life sentence is being George Zimmerman.
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time for him to change his name and move to a different area.say montana.
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Old 07-17-2013, 05:58 PM
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Old 07-17-2013, 06:02 PM
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time for him to change his name and move to a different area.say montana.
They prolly have open carry in Montana. I bet if he had been carrying open the whole thingie with TM would never have happened.
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Old 07-17-2013, 06:31 PM
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time for him to change his name and move to a different area.say montana.
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Old 07-17-2013, 06:34 PM
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IOW, you have no argument. Your entire stance is based on the presumption that you can read GZ's mind and know with certainty that he has told the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

The jury you vaunt so highly has one member displaying to the world the degree of her air-headedness. The prosecution's performance was weak in this one. And the defense got a very favorable jury.

I'll agree that TM could well have been partly at fault in this and that it's likely that GZ believed he was acting in self defense. But the sum total of GZ's actions should have some penalty attached. Perhaps there is no legal category for it to fall into in. Not sure. But this is not full tilt, gold plated justice at play.

Time wounds all heels. GZ is going to have his every falling and skinning of knees breathlessly reported in future. His going to be in the Rodney King category of public scrutiny. His life sentence is being George Zimmerman.
Following is not illegal. Beating somebody's head on the concrete is. Had Martin not been shot he would likely have been charged with felony assault and battery. Or murder, had Z died.

The last paragraph is probably right. Damned if I know. Who is Lt Calley?
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Old 07-17-2013, 08:42 PM
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OMG.... Really?? You're going to roll with this new and even more spectacular assumption???
Just reporting on what his girlfriend said. I added nothing.
If your news service didn't tell you, maybe you should re-evaluate your source of news i.e. propaganda
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Old 07-17-2013, 08:43 PM
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Ah, so now you have the complete story nailed down in a nutshell. Watch out, Bot's gonna accuse you of mind reading.

Who initiate the confrontation? Who first began to F with the other?
I am wondering if you can read.
I simply reported what the girlfriend said was her conversation with him on the cell phone.
If anyone made any assumptions, it was her.
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Sounds as if you saw something that I missed. Somehow I missed Z's testimony. Why is that?
Did not the Zim make a statement to police at his arrest?
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:04 PM
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SYG could very well offer TM as much right to defend himself as it supposedly did GZ.
I believe SYG can only be applied by the survivor....
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:05 PM
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Several. And some portions conflicted with the retelling. And later conflicted with the Hannity interview.

As far as I know, nobody has claimed Z is a paragon of moral rectitude. The key question is: Does the state have the evidence and supporting argument to convict?

The answer is, "No".

This in no way implies that Z is innocent.

Nor does it say anything about M.

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