Using the "N" word in public - Page 4 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

t walgamuth · #46 09-23-2013, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

Not that it's part of the conversation but at one time I was quite good speaking Japanese, understood perhaps 30% of Palauan and a bit less of Chamorro and Tagalog. My spanish is poor btw but passable.

Apparently you have a talent for picking up languages. I can order beer and ask directions to the toilet in Spanish, Italian, French and German.

Much beyond that I am lost.

MTUpower · #47 09-23-2013, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

Apparently you have a talent for picking up languages. I can order beer and ask directions to the toilet in Spanish, Italian, French and German.

Much beyond that I am lost.

If you want to eat, make friends and understand the people where you live there is no better way than to learn the local speak.

t walgamuth · #48 09-23-2013, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

Jorn suggested that "black" people can use the word but no one else can. There is no definition of who is "black"- it is nearly totally subjective- based on the person(s) viewing someone. That opinion may change with only seeing a picture or from a distance and then hearing the actual person, and then a closer view. If we only hear an audio version of the events- can everyone yell "Nig@er!"???

Would you be okay with the people in the image yelling the "N" word in a public youth soccer game as Jorn is?

I don't sanction anybody using the N word or any other derogatory label. I do understand why Black folks feel free to though. I'm not sure I'd have the stones to call someone out on it either....even if I were an official at the event. I admire you for doing it but think for myself, too risky.

Jorn · #49 09-23-2013, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

Jorn suggested that "black" people can use the word but no one else can. There is no definition of who is "black"- it is nearly totally subjective- based on the person(s) viewing someone. That opinion may change with only seeing a picture or from a distance and then hearing the actual person, and then a closer view. If we only hear an audio version of the events- can everyone yell "Nig@er!"???

Would you be okay with the people in the image yelling the "N" word in a public youth soccer game as Jorn is?

Oh man, you have some really weird race issues. I never said it's ok to say n***** at a football match or in public for that matter, maybe my wording created that confusion.

Jim B. · #50 09-23-2013, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

Apparently you have a talent for picking up languages. I can order beer and ask directions to the toilet in Spanish, Italian, French and German.

Much beyond that I am lost.

What more could you possibly need?

MTI · #51 09-23-2013, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

What more could you possibly need?

No sabía que era tu hermana!

Jim B. · #52 09-23-2013, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

If you want to eat, make friends and understand the people where you live there is no better way than to learn the local speak.

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aklim · #53 09-23-2013, 12:45 PM

I'm more worried about the guy or gal that uses the "N" word in private or in their thoughts than in public. The man with the white sheet calling for white supremacy is less dangerous than say David Duke. The former is merely an idiot that wears his heart on his sleeve and doesn't have the brains to do anything much. The latter is more calculated and smarter, thus more dangerous.

So, while MTUPOWER might have won a moral victory, lets also note that it is a Pyrrhic Victory. Would he change their mind? Doubtful. Best case scenario is they do it again. Worst case is they take it underground.

MTUpower · #54 09-23-2013, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jorn

Oh man, you have some really weird race issues. I never said it's ok to say n***** at a football match or in public for that matter, maybe my wording created that confusion.

Is your memory ok?

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Originally Posted by Jorn

Blacks can yell n**** because it's a word that was used to put them down by whites. Their only weapon to make that word less hurtful is by using it in another contest.

?????????????

In Micronesia there are black people who skin color is darker than those who's genes are traced to Africa. The other genetic groups have lighter skin but it's still brown. There are very very few who can trace their genes to africa- yet some of the USA's culture and music are in the major islands. The Micronesian will call each other "nig*er" as a fond term. They've never had a slave nor lived in a society of slave culture- save their own past which could be violent.

Will you tell them that they hate blacks and they are racist for using the "N" word?
You can enter a person's mind you've never met and interpret what they are thinking? What a unique ability!! Why aren't you a billionaire and famous?

I find your argument why one "race" (whose members you fail to define) can use a vulgar and offensive term with impunity full of so many holes it wouldn't even make a net- much less hold water. MLK jr/'s dream was that skin color would NEVER be used to allow one group to do something and forbidden to other groups. You think I have weird race issues? I think there is ONE race- the human race. That's weird to you? I get offended when "Run Nig*er, RUN!" is yelled at a public youth soccer game. That's weird to you? I don't discriminate or differentiate based on skin color- AS YOU DO- and that's weird? We certainly don't need more people like you here in the USA.

Jorn · #55 09-23-2013, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

Is your memory ok?
?????????????

In Micronesia there are black people who skin color is darker than those who's genes are traced to Africa. The other genetic groups have lighter skin but it's still brown. There are very very few who can trace their genes to africa- yet some of the USA's culture and music are in the major islands. The Micronesian will call each other "nig*er" as a fond term. They've never had a slave nor lived in a society of slave culture- save their own past which could be violent.

Will you tell them that they hate blacks and they are racist for using the "N" word?
You can enter a person's mind you've never met and interpret what they are thinking? What a unique ability!! Why aren't you a billionaire and famous?

I find your argument why one "race" (whose members you fail to define) can use a vulgar and offensive term with impunity full of so many holes it wouldn't even make a net- much less hold water. MLK jr/'s dream was that skin color would NEVER be used to allow one group to do something and forbidden to other groups. You think I have weird race issues? I think there is ONE race- the human race. That's weird to you? I get offended when "Run Nig*er, RUN!" is yelled at a public youth soccer game. That's weird to you? I don't discriminate or differentiate based on skin color- AS YOU DO- and that's weird? We certainly don't need more people like you here in the USA.

To use of the word "yell" was a bad choice on my part, it could give the impression it was a response to your personal story. It wasn't, I used it in a general way.

Where do you get the idea from that I discriminate, I'm confused. Or is it because I'm of the opinion that some people can use the word and others can't and you feel discriminated because you can't use it?

Before I came to the States I used the word quit often, even in the presence of my lovely black girlfriend who would laugh about it, it was a word we knew from the movies and didn't had the meaning to us that it has now to me after living here for many years. Could it be the same for the guy at the match, good for you to educate him?

In my humble opinion it's not the word, it's who uses the word and in what context it's used that gives a word its meaning.

What's your opinion about the Confederate flag, a symbol extremely offensive to some, still a lot of people find it their right to wave it around?

MTUpower · #56 09-23-2013, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jorn

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Where do you get the idea from that I discriminate, I'm confused. Or is it because I'm of the opinion that some people can use the word and others can't and you feel discriminated because you can't use it?
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dis·crim·i·nate
disˈkriməˌnāt/
verb
verb: discriminate; 3rd person present: discriminates; past tense: discriminated; past participle: discriminated; gerund or present participle: discriminating

1.
recognize a distinction; differentiate.
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2.
make an unjust or prejudicial distinction in the treatment of different categories of people or things, esp. on the grounds of race, sex, or age.

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Originally Posted by Jorn

It's not some races, it's only one.
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You allow ONE race to use the word "Nig*er" . That fits the definitions of discrimination above in every way. Yes, you are confused; I agree. I'm not even sure you know what you are saying if you think you are not discriminating when you say people of one skin color can do something others that do not share the same skin color are forbid to do.

panZZer · #57 09-23-2013, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jorn

Oh man, you have some really weird race issues. I never said it's ok to say n***** at a football match or in public for that matter, maybe my wording created that confusion.

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Yup... Whats the matter MTU--dont ya like chicks??

aklim · #58 09-23-2013, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jorn

What's your opinion about the Confederate flag, a symbol extremely offensive to some, still a lot of people find it their right to wave it around?

What has anyone's opinion got to do with it? Under the first amendment, you don't have to like it but we don't get to pick and choose which time you like to support, not agree, support it. I don't like the Klan either but I have to support their right to exist. I agree that they are racist in that they allow only certain races to participate but same as the Black (Insert Group here) of America. As long as it is a private group and not funded by taxpayers, I support their right to discriminate whether it is for or against me.

Botnst · #59 09-23-2013, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by P.C.

You should mind your own business.

Except he's a line judge and the players are kids with family around. I'm with the OP. Give them a warning. The primary things we want the kids to learn is to play fair, play hard, and respect each other and the other team. If they persist, talk to the ref about ejecting the people who can't control themselves.

All 3 of my larvae played soccer. It was rare, but I did see parents ejected because they got out of control. You have to protect the kids first, even from their own families.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlNfGze-BFo

Jorn · #60 09-23-2013, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

dis·crim·i·nate
disˈkriməˌnāt/
verb
verb: discriminate; 3rd person present: discriminates; past tense: discriminated; past participle: discriminated; gerund or present participle: discriminating

1.
recognize a distinction; differentiate.
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2.
make an unjust or prejudicial distinction in the treatment of different categories of people or things, esp. on the grounds of race, sex, or age.

You allow ONE race to use the word "Nig*er" . That fits the definitions of discrimination above in every way. Yes, you are confused; I agree. I'm not even sure you know what you are saying if you think you are not discriminating when you say people of one skin color can do something others that do not share the same skin color are forbid to do.

For your satisfaction yes I discriminate.