Using the "N" word in public - Page 3 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Jim B. · #31 09-22-2013, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

I do not see it as a double standard, at least not in the manner being described here.

I am sure most of us have had situations where we have cursed a family member under our breath or got in a fight with a sibling. No big deal. Let someone out side the family dk the same and we get all decensive.

Maming fun or joking about ones "own kind" is OK. When you make fun of others especially as a white person given our history things change. Kind of like a KKK member making a jok e about blacks as opposed to Cosby making the same joke. I doubt the intent would be the same.

Well things were different back in about 1956 weren't they?

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t walgamuth · #32 09-22-2013, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

I'm reminded of soldiers and sports team members (male) calling themselves "girls" or "ladies". Nobody seems to bat an eye at that one, though it denigrates women.

Personally, I think bigots love looking for chances to holler "reverse racism". Not that it doesn't exist, but finding it seems to somehow justify their own prejudice.

yes.

MTUpower · #33 09-22-2013, 09:08 PM

The family in question first language is spanish- but at least one member would be called a "black" by most people I think if they saw only a picture of them. ( My 18 YO son would also be called black by a great number of people viewing only a picture but perhaps less than a majority- so Honus is correct.)
The issue of using the word in public is that in a crowd who really knows and can verify the intent of the voice uttering it? What if it become common (who says it's not already in some places?) to hear it - and only one "race" can use that word but others when using it could be arrested/or removed from the public event? My experience is that many native spanish speaking hispanics do not have the same views of race and what is acceptable as native english speakers- hispanic or not.
Yes Tom, it really happened, and ended without event. They did not say it anymore and I think in public at least at the soccer games they will not. I view that we are all equal in a public setting- and allowing one set of rules for one "race" and another set of rules for another "race" is at the core of racist actions. I don't think anyone should be allowed by society to use incendiary racist based language in public sporting event or most gatherings. The key is to show that the action was unacceptable- not focus on the individual. That's my view. Think about it- if I went to the league's office and told them a family was yelling "Run Nig#er!" and I asked them to stop would they support the families right to say that or the person asking them to stop?

MTUpower · #34 09-22-2013, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jorn

That has to do with turf and low paid jobs; blacks are pushed out of traditional black neighborhoods by new latino immigrants. This is nothing new, the same thing happened between Italians and Jews, Irish and blacks, Italians and Irish, etc etc.

Every group you talk about which has been "pushed out" has risen- have blacks? There are constant ads in the paper here for $10 an hour agricultural jobs. Who is willing to fill them? Why? Here in WPB former Italian, Irish and Jewish neighborhoods are now black. Lately they are more hispanic- and there are some blacks are moving up, some down and some sideways. So?

Really the question is wtf does that question have to do with why some "races" can yell "Nig*er" at a public youth soccer game and some be possibly banned or arrested but at minimum be shunned? How is this NOT a double standard with it's only defining difference is "race"?

t walgamuth · #35 09-22-2013, 10:08 PM

They weren't yelling Negro were they? In Spanish (most of us know) Negro is the color black.

Skid Row Joe · #36 09-22-2013, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

They weren't yelling Negro were they? In Spanish (most of us know) Negro is the color black.

G'Head and try that...... ~ let us know how it works out for you.....?

Legacy · #37 09-22-2013, 10:40 PM

t walgamuth · #38 09-22-2013, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

I was the side judge in my sons soccer game this evening. One family watching it's son started calling out to him and then one of the family members started yelling "Go Nig**er! Run Nig**er"- and everyone around them heard this. The "crowd" was scare- no much more than say 60 people. I turned around and told them (with an outside voice) in no uncertain terms that using the " "N" word " was unacceptable in public. (The family was dark skinned Hispanics.One member was very dark- most were medium, two were lighter skinned.) I told them I was very offended with the term even if they were not. One person in the family appeared to want to make an argument about what I said but did not do so. I kinda knew one of the family members- he was the one who attended practices- the child was on my team. When the game was over I fist bumped with the member I knew and all seemed fine, at least with him. The others gave a me a stink eye.

Was I out of line? Do you think dark skinned people can use the term in public but not light skinned people? Can a light skinned person tell a dark skinned person to not use the term in public?

You did good.

Jorn · #39 09-22-2013, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

Every group you talk about which has been "pushed out" has risen- have blacks? There are constant ads in the paper here for $10 an hour agricultural jobs. Who is willing to fill them? Why? Here in WPB former Italian, Irish and Jewish neighborhoods are now black. Lately they are more hispanic- and there are some blacks are moving up, some down and some sideways. So?

Really the question is wtf does that question have to do with why some "races" can yell "Nig*er" at a public youth soccer game and some be possibly banned or arrested but at minimum be shunned? How is this NOT a double standard with it's only defining difference is "race"?

It's not some races, it's only one. Blacks can yell n**** because it's a word that was used to put them down by whites. Their only weapon to make that word less hurtful is by using it in another contest. This has nothing to do with reverse racism, they made the word meaningless.

Why didn't most enslaved blacks rice to the occasion like Italians, jews, Chinese and Irisch is because they didn't come here voluntarily and their family base was disrupted. A solid family base is the corner stone of succeeding in this country or anywhere else in the world.

One of the most successful immigrant groups the US has seen are immigrants from Haiti (blacks) that came here in the 1980's. They were absolutely despised when they set foot in Miami by americans of all races: no money, education that was worthless in the US, aids and hiv infected and carrying other deseases, now they are one of the most successful and assimilated groups of new immigrants. Why, because of a solid family base, a will to succeed and a little help from the US government.

So yes blacks have risen as a group, just not the ones that were enslaved and who's familie ties were disrupted.

MTUpower · #40 09-23-2013, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Jorn

It's not some races, it's only one. Blacks can yell n**** because it's a word that was used to put them down by whites. Their only weapon to make that word less hurtful is by using it in another contest. This has nothing to do with reverse racism, they made the word meaningless.

Why didn't most enslaved blacks rice to the occasion like Italians, jews, Chinese and Irisch is because they didn't come here voluntarily and their family base was disrupted. A solid family base is the corner stone of succeeding in this country or anywhere else in the world.

One of the most successful immigrant groups the US has seen are immigrants from Haiti (blacks) that came here in the 1980's. They were absolutely despised when they set foot in Miami by americans of all races: no money, education that was worthless in the US, aids and hiv infected and carrying other deseases, now they are one of the most successful and assimilated groups of new immigrants. Why, because of a solid family base, a will to succeed and a little help from the US government.

So yes blacks have risen as a group, just not the ones that were enslaved and who's familie ties were disrupted.

Are for effin real? I nearly spit my coffee on the computer.

Please show some proof that the blacks lineage were "enslaved" are worse off than those who were not. Then please prove my son is not black.

Is society to allow these people to yell it?

t walgamuth · #41 09-23-2013, 07:39 AM

I don't think Jorn is suggesting you did anything wrong by objecting to the use of the word.

I think he does make a point about the people from Haiti being successful because of coming from a better situation. There are plenty of successful black folks here in the us who are from families who were once enslaved as well, clearly.

What is your point in showing the above pictures?

MTUpower · #42 09-23-2013, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

They weren't yelling Negro were they? In Spanish (most of us know) Negro is the color black.

Nah- I speak spanish and "negro" in spanish is not even close to the "N" word.

t walgamuth · #43 09-23-2013, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

Nah- I speak spanish and "negro" in spanish is not even close to the "N" word.

Cool. Do you speak any other languages? (besides English).

MTUpower · #44 09-23-2013, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

I don't think Jorn is suggesting you did anything wrong by objecting to the use of the word.

I think he does make a point about the people from Haiti being successful because of coming from a better situation. There are plenty of successful black folks here in the us who are from families who were once enslaved as well, clearly.

What is your point in showing the above pictures?

Jorn suggested that "black" people can use the word but no one else can. There is no definition of who is "black"- it is nearly totally subjective- based on the person(s) viewing someone. That opinion may change with only seeing a picture or from a distance and then hearing the actual person, and then a closer view. If we only hear an audio version of the events- can everyone yell "Nig@er!"???

Would you be okay with the people in the image yelling the "N" word in a public youth soccer game as Jorn is?

MTUpower · #45 09-23-2013, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

Cool. Do you speak any other languages? (besides English).

Not that it's part of the conversation but at one time I was quite good speaking Japanese, understood perhaps 30% of Palauan and a bit less of Chamorro and Tagalog. My spanish is poor btw but passable.