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Air&Road · #**286** 12-27-2013, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by link

Asking some to think for themselves will produce about the same results as asking a fence post to cook scrambled eggs.

You quite enjoy insulting others don't you?

I'm glad you're finding entertainment.

davidmash · #**287** 12-27-2013, 10:49 AM

I'm still trying to figure out why people think the government has the right to makes laws about how I treat my body. And who would have thought that conservatives, the folks who preach responsibility would be the ones behind the laws. Baffling.

SwampYankee · #**288** 12-27-2013, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

At that point, the druggies won't be criminals any more will they? Of course the accelerated drug use will continue to drag the country into the gutter ever faster, but legally changing the law will mean that the will of the people is being met.

Fair enough. Just wanted to see where you stood on it.

Do you consider every person who drinks alcohol an alcoholic?

Jim B. · #**289** 12-27-2013, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

I'm still trying to figure out why people think the government has the right to makes laws about how I treat my body. And who would have thought that conservatives, the folks who preach responsibility would be the ones behind the laws. Baffling.

There, there, honey, quiet down, abortions are still legal. Here, have a nice cup of tea, take it with this nice little Rorer 714.

Everything will be just fine.

Jim B. · #**290** 12-27-2013, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by SwampYankee

Fair enough. Just wanted to see where you stood on it.

Do you consider every person who drinks alcohol an alcoholic?

hahahya shome mishtake shurely!

"The piano has been drinking.

Not me.

Not me."

~~Tom Waits

JB3 · #**291** 12-27-2013, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel911

How can Illegal Immigants be compared to a Revolution?

Also the Colonist essential grip was the got no due process from the Crown (Taxation without representation).

Assuming you are a US Citizen the Laws of your own Country have some sort of Due Process to them.

Legal Immigrants like My Wife followed that Due Process.

Illegal Immigrants come here from the get-go not following that Due Process and dealing with them is expensive and wasteful to the USA.

I would rather spend Money increasing enforcement of the Immigration Laws, to secure or Boarders and to deal with Business the higher Illegal Aliens.
I believe that doing that would make the USA a better place to live and work in.

huh?
who apart from you is talking about illegal immigrants? Certainly not my comment. Where did you get that from

Jorn · #**292** 12-27-2013, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by engatwork

I'm thinking it started about the time the white man showed up.

I think your'e right.

Diesel911 · #**293** 12-27-2013, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

Maybe the saddest thing I saw in 20 years in the criminal Courts of San Francisco was back around 1985 when the District Attorney's office put a case on calendar charging a poor, old black woman with theft.

She allegedly had stolen a used potholder.

From Goodwill.

The Judge was incredulous that this case was not only charged but prosecuted. So was I.

And it was in Felony criminal court too.

I think the answer is at the below site:
Petty Theft & Shoplifting Laws | California Penal Code 484 & 488 PC

Non-felony crime sometimes become a Felony if you have a previous record.

kerry · #**294** 12-27-2013, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

A criminal is someone willing to break the law. Of course there are different criminals, but they are all still criminal by definition. For those who feel that a law is unjust, there is a whole process provided they can go through to get it changed.

What is sad is to see people thumb their nose at the law, contributing to a lawless society, one of the significant factors contributing to Americas demise.

Do you realize that your view of the moral life is roughly coincidental with Eichmann's?

Diesel911 · #**295** 12-27-2013, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JB3

huh?
who apart from you is talking about illegal immigrants? Certainly not my comment. Where did you get that from

I think I screwed up and though I was on that other thread; Tax payer money for illegals or for vetrans?

However in this thread there was this:
Post #191 Immigration mentioned:
“Those very same officials were responsible for the anti immigration laws in Arizona and other states. Where there are incarcerated, there's a buck to be made.”
Post #214
“Those very same officials were responsible for the anti immigration laws in Arizona and other states. Where there are incarcerated, there's a buck to be made.”
My comment to the above comment:
“Which came first Illegal Immigration or privatization of Prisons?”

Apparenly that was enough to divert My attention away from the Tax payer money for illegals or for vetrans? Thread.

Diesel911 · #**296** 12-27-2013, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

I'm still trying to figure out why people think the government has the right to makes laws about how I treat my body. And who would have thought that conservatives, the folks who preach responsibility would be the ones behind the laws. Baffling.

I guess the short Story is that what one Person Does can have an unplanned effect on others.

If I buy a Bag of Weed from some Local Guy it is likely supporting someone higher up that is selling more dangerous illegal Drugs and so on.

The preching is because of the lack of Personal responsability People have.
If you can handle can illegal Drug use with out causing problems fine; but that does not work so well for others.

There is no sort of test that can be given to People to determine who will be responsible.

When you make a Law you can't make a law that just applies to Joe; it has to apply to the whole Public.
So the Law is attempting to deal with those less responsible then you.

An extreme example of this is that there is Laws against committing Suicide. I mean it is your life; should you not have the right to live or die?
(Well you can Kill yourself in some States if you already have some specific circumstance/s a long with already being terminal; but that is the exception to the Law.)
The reason for the above Law is that a Person wanting to commit Suicide is not considered to be a responsible act.

A minor example would be the No Smoking Laws. You can say I was responsible and never smoked around other People and that may be True; but, a lot of others did not do that; hence the Laws.

Diesel911 · #**297** 12-27-2013, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jorn

Now you got an interesting point. The people that come here illegally didn't create the need for undocumented work, we did as consumers.

The more undocumented workers in the country, the better the economy is doing. When the economy tanks, like in 2008, undocumented workers leave. They follow the work, just like anyone else.

The undocumented Worker and a lot of Legal Aliens also left becasue the could not support themselves here. It had nothing to do woth them following the Work. It had more to do with going back and letting your Family take care of you things get better.

A lot of Legal Aliens that My Father Rented Apartments to went back to Mexico because there was no work here; but they did not go back to Mexico because there was work waiting for them there.

My Wife is from the Philippines and they do the same thing there. If you are unemployed you stay with Your Family and try to do as much work as you can find but you pool the Family resources when it comes to Food and Shelter.
If one part of your Family is having trouble taking care of You; you go visit some of your other Relatives and hope some opportunity to work happens there; and so on.

It depends on what you think is important to the Economy.

The illegal Aliens are not helping our trade deficit and I believe they use up more social services, Legal Services and so on then the average Legal Residence or Citizen does. So none of that is bringing more Money into the US Economy.
What is the Border Partol costing the Tax Payers?

Also Illegal Aliens also send Money Home as do Legal Aliens. So they send Money out of the Country; I don't think that helps the US Economy.

Where the Help the US Economy is the Illegal Aliens come here with little and will need to Buy almost everything.

I am not entirely convinced that this is true but the Claim is that they fill the Jobs that no one else wants. Assuming that is true they also keep the Wages down for those same Jobs.
So it becomes the self fulfilling prophecy. One of the reason the Legal Residents and Citizens no one wants the Job is because the pay is too low.

Where I am in Long Beach most of the Fast Food Jobs are filled by Adult Aliens; leagal or otherwise. Those used to be the Jobs that Kids just getting out of High School used to work it till the got better educated or learned some Skill to get a better job. At least in My area those Jobs are filled by Adults.

davidmash · #**298** 12-27-2013, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel911

[B]I guess the short Story is that what one Person Does can have an unplanned effect on others.

If I buy a Bag of Weed from some Local Guy it is likely supporting someone higher up that is selling more dangerous illegal Drugs and so on.

The preching is because of the lack of Personal responsability People have.
If you can handle can illegal Drug use with out causing problems fine; but that does not work so well for others.

There is no sort of test that can be given to People to determine who will be responsible.

When you make a Law you can't make a law that just applies to Joe; it has to apply to the whole Public.
So the Law is attempting to deal with those less responsible then you.

An extreme example of this is that there is Laws against committing Suicide. I mean it is your life; should you not have the right to live or die?
(Well you can Kill yourself in some States if you already have some specific circumstance/s a long with already being terminal; but that is the exception to the Law.)
The reason for the above Law is that a Person wanting to commit Suicide is not considered to be a responsible act.

A minor example would be the No Smoking Laws. You can say I was responsible and never smoked around other People and that may be True; but, a lot of others did not do that; hence the Laws.

I do not believe that is the way ho laws are written. So far as I am aware the law is not worried about what might happen two or three people down line or what secondary actions might happen.

All we are talking about is an individual buying drugs. If that action hurts someone then there is an issue. If the act of buying the drug does not have a direct affect on someone else then what is the issue.

Following your line of reasoning, guns, cars, knives and pretty much anything else could be linked to something bad.

Diesel911 · #**299** 12-28-2013, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SwampYankee

Fair enough. Just wanted to see where you stood on it.

Do you consider every person who drinks alcohol an alcoholic?

You are asking a rather undefined question.

Dose a Person who drinks Alcohol have to be an Alcoholic as in definition 2 and 3 to cause a problem to His or Herself or the Public at large?

A closer example to Legalizing Drugs compared to Alcohol would be legalizing Alcohol use for Minors.
I think I can safely estimate that that would increase the amount of People drinking Alcohol and at the same time increase Alcohol related problems.
That would happen regardless of them being Alcoholics or not.
So if Weed was leagl more People would smoke it. And, you would see more People they you do now driving and Smoking a Joint.

al·co·hol·ic [àlkə háwlik]
adj
1. containing alcohol: relating to or containing alcohol alcoholic beverages
2. caused by alcohol: caused by alcohol consumption alcoholic dehydration
3. addicted to alcohol: addicted to drinking beverages containing alcohol

n (plural al·co·hol·ics)
alcohol addict: somebody who is addicted to alcohol

Diesel911 · #**300** 12-28-2013, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by engatwork

I'm thinking it started about the time the white man showed up.

I thought we all came from Africa!

Some times to determine if something was right or wrong it is useful to swap the positions of the Persons involved.

Meaning if it had been the Indians from what we called the New World having developed a higher technology and landed in Europe.

I believe they would have done the same as the so called White People did. (Except that they would not have been Christians.)

Imagine the Aztecs having the Technology that the Europeans had and landing in Europe and the Europeans being nearly stone age Peoples.
From what I have read Aztecs had a fondness for "Bleeding Hearts".