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davidmash · #**271** 12-27-2013, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Diesel911

There is always exceptions to things.
And, Rosa Parks might have been a Criminal in the sense of violating local or State Law but was not violating Federal Law or the Constitution and in fact trying to be obtain equality denied to Her under the local Law.

That does not give someone entering the Country illegally any high moral ground?
You can say that the Illegal Immigrant only wants to support they Family and that is nice until you think of what would happen if our Country allowed anyone in the World who could not support their Family to immigrate here.
Even if the Present Illegals are given amnesty at some point a serious crimp has to be put on Illegal Immigration. We are not a Country with unlimited opportunity or resources.

Not the way Larry tells it and that is what this little side argument is addressing. The law is absolute. Obey it or your a criminal.

Again, no idea what the immigration stuff is all about so I'm not even going to get into that.

Diesel911 · #**272** 12-27-2013, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jorn

The dimise that started July the 5th, 1776.

I think some People in England still think that is so.

Diesel911 · #**273** 12-27-2013, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

I thought intoxication was a no no, or something.

I thought that was only Alcohol?

Diesel911 · #**274** 12-27-2013, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

It's illegal to prohibit bank robbery?
huh.....

Well, His comment might not have been properly worded.

But, I was able to interpret; and what I got from it is that if you decriminalized Bank Robbery there would not be the Carnage during the Robbery.
You know; they could maybe write a Ticket for someone getting Caught during a Bank Robbery and the Robber could use part of the Bank Money to pay for the Ticket.

Of course if the Robber does not pay the Fine I suppose We have to go for criminal prosecution which during the arrest could result in Carnage.
So I guess there is just no way out of this terrible dilemma.

Jim B. · #**275** 12-27-2013, 12:39 AM

The banks rob millions of their own customers every day and get away with it.

Why this fact seems to elude some of you, I cannot understand.

Diesel911 · #**276** 12-27-2013, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

Not the way Larry tells it and that is what this little side argument is addressing. The law is absolute. Obey it or your a criminal.

Again, no idea what the immigration stuff is all about so I'm not even going to get into that.

Which statement is closer to the truth? All Criminals bad or all Criminals are good?

Closer to the Point which is closer to the truth; Being an Illegal Alien is a Victimless Crime or being an Illegal Alien is a Crime that victimizes the Legal Immigrants and Citizens of the USA.

The problem whit this sort of argument is that if you insist on specifics than all you can do is pic some Specific Illegal Aliens and support which ever side of the argument is your argument.

If you look at Illegal Aliens as a group then you have to speak in General because the Good and Bad are lumped to together in a group.

So I think in Larry's case; being forced to speak about the Illegal Aliens as a group also forces you to generalize.

But, actually there are some people that believe that a Crime is a Crime no matter what.

A starving Man Stealing Food is in reality committing a Crime. Even if I think that is reasonable and OK it is still a Crime.

You could say a starving Man stealing a Loaf of Bread is not committing a Crime but I am guessing the same Man stealing a Truck Load of Bread would be clearly considered a Criminal.

But, the circumstances involving the Crime are in our society is important. That is why We have the Court System We have.

Which is closer to the Truth? Illegal Drug use is a victimless Crime or Illegal Drug use Victimizes the Public in General?

Jim B. · #**277** 12-27-2013, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

A criminal is someone willing to break the law. Of course there are different criminals, but they are all still criminal by definition. For those who feel that a law is unjust, there is a whole process provided they can go through to get it changed.

What is sad is to see people thumb their nose at the law, contributing to a lawless society, one of the significant factors contributing to Americas demise.

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Originally Posted by JB3

Think of all those hardened criminals who put their name on the Declaration of Independance. Definitely criminal by definition, sad to see them thumb their nose at the law, contribute to a lawless society, and generally continue the moral degradation of society

No doubt you would have been the staunchest crown loyalist in those days. Taxation without representation? No problem, its the law, no matter how much it exploits me.

davidmash · #**278** 12-27-2013, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Diesel911

Which statement is closer to the truth? All Criminals bad or all Criminals are good?

Closer to the Point which is closer to the truth; Being an Illegal Alien is a Victimless Crime or being an Illegal Alien is a Crime that victimizes the Legal Immigrants and Citizens of the USA.

The problem whit this sort of argument is that if you insist on specifics than all you can do is pic some Specific Illegal Aliens and support which ever side of the argument is your argument.

If you look at Illegal Aliens as a group then you have to speak in General because the Good and Bad are lumped to together in a group.

So I think in Larry's case; being forced to speak about the Illegal Aliens as a group also forces you to generalize.

But, actually there are some people that believe that a Crime is a Crime no matter what.

A starving Man Stealing Food is in reality committing a Crime. Even if I think that is reasonable and OK it is still a Crime.

You could say a starving Man stealing a Loaf of Bread is not committing a Crime but I am guessing the same Man stealing a Truck Load of Bread would be clearly considered a Criminal.

But, the circumstances involving the Crime are in our society is important. That is why We have the Court System We have.

I do not see this as an either or. Rosa Parks siting in the front of the bus was a good criminal act.

Again, no idea where the alien stuff is coming from. We were talking about laws against drugs. In post 244 Larry suggested bank robbery be made legal to avoid carnage. In 255 Bot asked if he saw a difference between robbery and drug use. Then Larry said this in 261

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A criminal is someone willing to break the law. Of course there are different criminals, but they are all still criminal by definition. For those who feel that a law is unjust, there is a whole process provided they can go through to get it changed.

What is sad is to see people thumb their nose at the law, contributing to a lawless society, one of the significant factors contributing to Americas demise.

Not sure why you continue to bring immigration up but I'm not going there as I do not see the reason.

Theft of a loaf or theft of a truck of bread is still theft (equivalent of robbing a bank). Some of us are arguing that theft is not breaking the law in the same manner that using drugs is breaking the law (see Bots post 255).

Jim B. · #**279** 12-27-2013, 01:04 AM

Maybe the saddest thing I saw in 20 years in the criminal Courts of San Francisco was back around 1985 when the District Attorney's office put a case on calendar charging a poor, old black woman with theft.

She allegedly had stolen a used potholder.

From Goodwill.

The Judge was incredulous that this case was not only charged but prosecuted. So was I.

And it was in Felony criminal court too.

Jorn · #**280** 12-27-2013, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

Unless I missed something, no one is talking about immigration. The comparison was between a bank robber and drug use as being equal in their nature.

It gets sometimes a little confusing around here...

engatwork · #**281** 12-27-2013, 06:06 AM

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The dimise that started July the 5th, 1776.

I'm thinking it started about the time the white man showed up.

elchivito · #**282** 12-27-2013, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

Maybe the saddest thing I saw in 20 years in the criminal Courts of San Francisco was back around 1985 when the District Attorney's office put a case on calendar charging a poor, old black woman with theft.

She allegedly had stolen a used potholder.

From Goodwill.

The Judge was incredulous that this case was not only charged but prosecuted. So was I.

And it was in Felony criminal court too.

Did they put her in The Big House? Give the old bag a little vacation to The Hotel Greybar?
A criminal is a criminal after all.

SwampYankee · #**283** 12-27-2013, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

For those who feel that a law is unjust, there is a whole process provided they can go through to get it changed.

That process to get the laws changed re: marijuana is underway. If/when the law is changed through the proper channels, and recreational marijuana use is taxed and legal (again, I'm not a pot aficionado so I don't really have a horse in this race), pot smokers will no longer be criminals. What then?

link · #**284** 12-27-2013, 09:09 AM

Asking some to think for themselves will produce about the same results as asking a fence post to cook scrambled eggs.

Air&Road · #**285** 12-27-2013, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SwampYankee

That process to get the laws changed re: marijuana is underway. If/when the law is changed through the proper channels, and recreational marijuana use is taxed and legal (again, I'm not a pot aficionado so I don't really have a horse in this race), pot smokers will no longer be criminals. What then?

At that point, the druggies won't be criminals any more will they? Of course the accelerated drug use will continue to drag the country into the gutter ever faster, but legally changing the law will mean that the will of the people is being met.