I don't see that happening. Dirty Harry Reid and his beloved son have too many shady land deals in the making and fortunes to be made.

Not a stretch at all, an easy comparison. Same with OWS, your new straw man. Why not stick to the facts relative to THIS issue?

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I see these efforts as a way to look good for the cameras, and maybe if they are successful, line their own pockets....
As bad a job as the federal government does as steward of our public lands, I still would be uncomfortable giving federal property to the states. Corruption and graft are much easier to pull off at the state level.

If the states wish to manage the lands and reap the benefit of utilizing the land under the umbrella of federal oversight.... I think that might be a good solution. Certainly in many (or most) cases the land and the people would be better served to have more localized and informed management, as long as there are safeguards to prevent Joe The Governor from pocketing a few mil by putting a toxic waste dump somewhere.

Utah's stance that the feds must cede ownership of the land is BS, and will be a detriment to developing useful dialog on the subject.
I hope that the parties involved can keep the rhetoric to a minimum and make a sincere effort to find a workable solution which will benefit the lands and all the people who use them.

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The 'militia' db's were not just there for the weekend, you're making things up again....
OSW at least was planned. Many people took vacation time, other protesters didn't have jobs... IIRC that was part of what they were protesting about...

Occupy Wall Street has nothing to do with this issue....
Obviously you have nothing left with which to support your position, so you create the strawman.... Have fun beating it.

One has to stretch to try and keep these unrelated issues in check.
Sharpton is not the issue here either.

It's interesting... sometimes, when my kids are told that they cannot do something, they will respond with 'But-so-and-so-does-it....'
The 10yo is starting to grow out of it already....

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That's right, there is no difference between the far left and radical right.

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This is strongly related. It goes to the bias toward different groups and individuals. OSW and Sharpton get better treatment because of their views being sympathetic to the administration and press.

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[QUOTE=cmbdiesel;3318329]The 'militia' db's were not just there for the weekend, you're making things up again....
OSW at least was planned. Many people took vacation time, other protesters didn't have jobs... IIRC that was part of what they were protesting about...


Occupy Wall Street has nothing to do with this issue....
Obviously you have nothing left with which to support your position, so you create the strawman.... Have fun beating it.



One has to stretch to try and keep these unrelated issues in check.
Sharpton is not the issue here either.

It's interesting... sometimes, when my kids are told that they cannot do something, they will respond with 'But-so-and-so-does-it....'
The 10yo is starting to grow out of it already....[/QUOTE


Tread lightly. Your liberal bias is showing. That's why you can't see the forest for the trees. You and elchivito both.

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So, in your mind this justifies your personal insult?

So, they CLAIM that Bundy owes a million in rent. There is something that is yet to meet the eye. Reid wants his land back so he can scam something out of it for himself. Sharpton owes twice as much but all of his fellow liberals like yourself seem perfectly good about that. How is Sharpton not paying rent different from not paying taxes? Answer, he's an Obama supporter.

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Sharpton should pay his taxes or go to jail. What Reid wants doesn't matter.

The U.S. bought the land Bundy is squatting on from Mexico well before Nevada was even an IDEA. It's always been federal land. The Nevada constitution proves it.
Bundy paid his allotment fees until he decided not to. He has no vested rights to ranch on public land. He has never in court proven a connection to any ancestral rights. It never belonged to the state. It never belonged to him.
Bundy openly declared a "range war" a month before the feds showed up.

Al Sharpton, Harry Reid, calling me a liberal and all the rest of your clumsy dodges don't change the facts above. The man is a mooch and welfare bum.

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Hes also lost what? 3 or 4 failed appeals? He has had 4 or 5 different judges shoot down his attempts to graze a far larger herd than permitted on public land for free.

Legally the issue is cut and dried, he doesnt have a leg to stand on. Im very surprise to see larry specifically back up 20 years of illegal activity.

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Have you been able to determine how much he paid prior to 1993 or so when
the BLM started trying to buy him out and he refused? I haven't in moderately casual research. I'm curious specifically what he paid prior to that, when the payments started, and if they were (going to be) raised after he declined to sell them his grazing rights. These seem like important things to know and nobody seems to. Only that he "quit paying".

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Just because there is a law, or one can apply some existing laws, to a situation to generate the outcome one wants, don't make it right.

Sometimes you have to stand against something you believe is wrong, weather it's legal or not. I'd never argue that what the guy is doing or has been doing is legal, obviously it's not right? But that has very little to do with it being right or wrong. As far as I can tell this is because of "interpretation of the law". A lot of folks "interpret" and feel very differently about this situation, and those feelings and interpretation need to be dealt with by something other than a hammer(ala russia or such). I was really heartened to see that neither side shot last week myself. If you've ever had a firearm pointed at you or pointed one at another human being you'll understand.

If I have learned anything studying laws, trials, and the application of, it is that the interpretation of a law varies considerably over a span of time.
50 years ago he might have won, 50 years from now he might.
A law that waxes and wanes ain't no kinda law to me, but I guess it's all we got, right?

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What does it matter? If your rent fee is too high, I move out or pay it.

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I thought that is why we have courts? To be as neutral an arbiter of the law as possible? Or is it so some guy gets to wear black satin and throw people in jail?

Wouldn't hurt my feelings to see the militia herd thinned out a little. And yes, I have had both and even been shot at but I still don't understand.

A few thousand years ago, we could have crapped and peed anywhere. Perhaps it might be not so good a thing to do today. But if it has to be changed, it should be interpreted by a neutral party. Otherwise I have an interpretation of "self defense" that will allow me to kill someone I don't like.

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Yes those things would be important to know, but they are not being sought because it might get in the way of the corrupt liberal government, their lap dog media and their blind followers.

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