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Old 04-27-2014, 04:47 PM
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A lot of folks on the political right have become convinced that the government is completely bad and incompetent at anything they might try. They have allowed themselves to be brainwashed by the likes of Limblow.
Speaking of Limbombastic, Colbert recently aired a bit in which Limbaugh speculated that the shoe throwing incident with Hillary Clinton was staged. Perhaps to drum up sympathy for her and deflect from Benghazi, God only knows how his mind works:

Stephen Colbert's Bats**t Serious - Hillary Clinton Shoe-spiracy Theory - The Colbert Report - Video Clip | Comedy Central
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Speaking of Limbombastic, Colbert recently aired a bit in which Limbaugh speculated that the shoe throwing incident with Hillary Clinton was staged. Perhaps to drum up sympathy for her and deflect from Benghazi, God only knows how his mind works:

Stephen Colbert's Bats**t Serious - Hillary Clinton Shoe-spiracy Theory - The Colbert Report - Video Clip | Comedy Central
If you had listened to the original transcript, you would know that it was a listener that first speculated that the shoe-throwing was a staged event. Of course, Rush then went on to note that with the Clintons, you never know. Remember the staged cross at Normandy --a beach with no stones, but there were just enough around for him to spontaneously make a cross. Or the dance on the beach--which was ignored until the press spokesman went overboard saying it was a private moment and no pictures were to be taken.

Nothing concerning the Clintons is spontaneous; everything is played for max political theater. Not even Obama can come close to their level on this matter.
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If you had listened to the original transcript, you would know that it was a listener that first speculated that the shoe-throwing was a staged event. Of course, Rush then went on to note that with the Clintons, you never know. Remember the staged cross at Normandy --a beach with no stones, but there were just enough around for him to spontaneously make a cross. Or the dance on the beach--which was ignored until the press spokesman went overboard saying it was a private moment and no pictures were to be taken.

Nothing concerning the Clintons is spontaneous; everything is played for max political theater. Not even Obama can come close to their level on this matter.
Seething more than usual, aren't we?
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Seething more than usual, aren't we?
If you see rage in my response, its in your own mind.
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Old 04-27-2014, 06:28 PM
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If you had listened to the original transcript, you would know that it was a listener that first speculated that the shoe-throwing was a staged event. Of course, Rush then went on to note that with the Clintons, you never know. Remember the staged cross at Normandy --a beach with no stones, but there were just enough around for him to spontaneously make a cross. Or the dance on the beach--which was ignored until the press spokesman went overboard saying it was a private moment and no pictures were to be taken.

Nothing concerning the Clintons is spontaneous; everything is played for max political theater. Not even Obama can come close to their level on this matter.
And if you could be bothered to listen to the link I posted, you'd have heard that other R notables also speculated that the event was staged. I forget who they were offhand. A listener suggested it to Limbaugh but he had no problem expounding on the point. The lady who did the shoe throwing is demonstrably bat**** crazy from her previous acting out episodes. I'm just sure the Clinton's would risk a ruse like that with someone who couldn't reliably be counted on to keep the secret. The notion is risible at best.
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Speaking of Limbombastic, Colbert recently aired a bit in which Limbaugh speculated that the shoe throwing incident with Hillary Clinton was staged. Perhaps to drum up sympathy for her and deflect from Benghazi, God only knows how his mind works:

Stephen Colbert's Bats**t Serious - Hillary Clinton Shoe-spiracy Theory - The Colbert Report - Video Clip | Comedy Central
All subjects lead back to Bengazzi when the right is talking about Hillary.
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All subjects lead back to Bengazzi when the right is talking about Hillary.
She never has had to explain her actions. Her rather flippant remark angers many. ( What does it matter, anyway?")
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She never has had to explain her actions. Her rather flippant remark angers many. ( What does it matter, anyway?")
She was called to account. She answered their questions. You just think you know her mind better than she does. And her remark was not flippant it was from frustration because the questioners were trying to split hairs about why something did or did not happen when it really would not change the fact that people were dead and nothing would bring them back.

The whole scenario fell apart because our people trusted the local military to protect our consulate and they did not protect it. The level of trust is well illustrated by the fact that our highest ranking person in the country was in the consul building.
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It's interesting that for all Bundy and his supporters anti-government ranting, he supports slavery. Because, if there's anything that slavery needs it's a strong government with elaborate laws and strong law enforcement to keep the slaves owned and in their place. Minimal levels of government typically require a high degree of equality.
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Near as I can tell. At least for blacks.
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What, I think people like me should be stomped into the ground? Sorry, doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Bundy is not like me. I haven't done what he's done and I wasn't suggesting he be stomped into the ground because of it, just that if he wants to threaten force then a significantly larger amount of force should be used to interrupt his prolonged play-date.
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What, I think people like me should be stomped into the ground? Sorry, doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Bundy is not like me. I haven't done what he's done and I wasn't suggesting he be stomped into the ground because of it, just that if he wants to threaten force then a significantly larger amount of force should be used to interrupt his prolonged play-date.
But that is just that. You think someone that does what he does deserves a harsh response. I didn't expect that of you. You have always tended to be more of a humanitarian than I am. If it were me, I'd call in an airstrike and impale the survivors as an example. I never expected you to even accept that just because he threatened force he should be ground into dust. Like I said, can't always be right.

My thought was, is and probably will always be is this. If they want to fight it in court 1000 times, I have no issue even if it involves public funds. OTOH, if they want to threaten violence, they need to be made an example of
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But that is just that. You think someone that does what he does deserves a harsh response. I didn't expect that of you. You have always tended to be more of a humanitarian than I am. If it were me, I'd call in an airstrike and impale the survivors as an example. I never expected you to even accept that just because he threatened force he should be ground into dust. Like I said, can't always be right.

My thought was, is and probably will always be is this. If they want to fight it in court 1000 times, I have no issue even if it involves public funds. OTOH, if they want to threaten violence, they need to be made an example of
My point was that when they show up to announce that the time of reckoning has come, they are justified in bringing major force, not that they should use it with impunity just to show who's boss.

The guy makes threats? Show up with force just in case, he's not necessarily going to follow through with those threats.
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While it is likely true that having some gainful work to occupy one's time is generally better than chronic idleness enabled by enough of stipend to survive and not much more, not sure I'm going to give Bundy a nod for being on the right track. His take has it that govt. subsidy is some nefarious doing. More likely is that the multi-generational welfare dependency seen here and there was the end-result of decades of struggle by blacks in Jim Crow America to survive with large pockets barely doing so.

Post emancipation blacks were not often educated to any degree and plenty of whites were disinclined to hire them for anything, aside from some share cropping arrangement. There were plenty of segments of the nation in which poor whites had trouble finding work at various points and I can only imagine it was even harder for blacks.

Implying that perhaps they were better off as slaves is sort of ignoring the fact that it was their enslavement and its aftermath that laid the groundwork for difficulties in the Jim Crow era. I can easily imagine that in various urban centers, doling out a welfare stipend seemed at the time to be a better alternative than having legions of people on the bare edge of survival and turning to crime at times to survive.
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