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Diesel911 · #**421** 04-20-2014, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Skippy

Couple questions in my mind. 1. Why didn't they try to evict the herd in 1994 when the grazing permit was revoked? 2. What are they going to do with the cattle they round up?

I don't know why BLM doesn't just allow its grazing users to simply buy their allotments and put the land in private hands. There's no good reason I can think of for the .gov to own so much land.

The Government would transport them to some other Government Land and if the owner wanted them back He would need to pay the Roundup Fees and the Transportation.
If the Cattle are held in some sort of Facility where they need to be cared for If the Owner wants them back He has to pay all expenses the Government incurred up to the Point He Pic up the Cattle. Somewhat like what happens if your Car is towed by the City.

If the Owner does not claim the Property they will be auctioned off.

Or the Government could auction off the Cattle to recover Money that the owner owed to the Government. And, that would be the cheapest thing for the Government to do.
Round up the Cattle ship them to the Auction Site and get rid of them.

Diesel911 · #**422** 04-20-2014, 12:24 PM

Apparently the News Media is really struggling to make things look worse then they are:

"It is, of course, customary for the U.S. government to bring armed soldiers to an oil dispute. (Operation "Iraqi Freedom" for starters...) Heavily armed snipers, helicopters and militarized soldiers have never been invoked over tortoises. (Anyone who thinks this siege is about reptiles is kidding themselves.)..."

I thoght that the only Soldiers were US Army, US Arny Reserve and the National Guard.
I also thought that all Sodiers are militarized because they are obviously a Military.

BLM fracking racket exposed! Armed siege and cattle theft from Bundy ranch really about fracking leases

elchivito · #**423** 04-20-2014, 12:51 PM

I'm not saying there isn't an interest in oil and gas in the area, but WOW, what a hysterical article!

This document from the Nevada Bureau of Mines and Geology(1) shows significant exploratory drilling being conducted in precisely the same area where the Bundy family has been running cattle since the 1870's. The "Gold Butte" area is indicated on the lower right corner of the document (see below), and it clearly shows numerous exploratory drilling operations have been conducted there.

The portion I highlighted is an outright falsehood. Notice that the cleverly cut map detail gives you NO indication of what the pretty colored map locators actually MEAN. They DON'T indicate "exploratory drilling operations" as alluded to in the above quote. Looking at the full map linked in the article tells the real story.
Notice that there's nothing south of Gold Butte, and only two productive sites considerably north of there. All the purple indicators are labels of rock outcrops that are possibly productive rock types. That's all they are.... Scary!!
The article spends considerable time telling us about some goings-on in Wells Nevada as if it had something to do with or is somehow close to the Bundy deal. It's not. Wells, NV is about as close to Gold Butte as Las Vegas is to Phoenix. Just more hysteria....

Jorn · #**424** 04-20-2014, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

I'm not saying there isn't an interest in oil and gas in the area, but WOW, what a hysterical article!

And if so, would that not be better for the economy and independence from foreign oil? Something conservatives would applaud.

Air&Road · #**425** 04-20-2014, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Anyone for "due process"? Yes, he appears to be in default, but is it right for the government, "men with guns" to confiscate what the government claims is due?
Lets just kill everyone the government says is doing something wrong.

Yeah, that's how hitler worked it.

Air&Road · #**426** 04-20-2014, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

I want a dead beat tenant residing in my property evicted. If he arms himself and threatens violence I want them to show up with whatever it takes to get him out. He is stealing from all of us.

I'd say they were way too lenient with him. I get deadbeat tenants out of my property in ten days. You can't rent to a paying tenant if you have a dead beat squatting.

You righties complain about government waste but in this case inexplicably you take the dead beat's side and don't want our government exercising good business practices...?????

Sorry, but government and good business practices just don't work together in the same sentence.

Jorn · #**427** 04-20-2014, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

Yeah, that's how hitler worked it.

And lets welcome Hitler to the party as well, missed that old booger!

cmbdiesel · #**428** 04-20-2014, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jorn

And if so, would that not be better for the economy and independence from foreign oil? Something conservatives would applaud.

Not the picture I wanted to post.. but some folks are so sensitive....

cmbdiesel · #**429** 04-20-2014, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

Yeah, that's how hitler worked it.

And...... The Godwin Award goes to...... LARRY!!!!!!

Skid Row Joe · #**430** 04-20-2014, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

our government exercising good business practices..

lmfao!

John Galt · #**431** 04-20-2014, 04:47 PM

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Regardless of how people feel about Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s standoff with the federal Bureau of Land Management over his cattle’s grazing rights, a lot of Americans were surprised to see TV images of an armed-to-the-teeth paramilitary wing of the BLM deployed around Bundy’s ranch.

They shouldn’t have been. Dozens of federal agencies now have Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT) teams to further an expanding definition of their missions. It’s not controversial that the Secret Service and the Bureau of Prisons have them. But what about the Department of Agriculture, the Railroad Retirement Board, the Tennessee Valley Authority, the Office of Personnel Management, the Consumer Product Safety Commission, and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service? All of these have their own SWAT units and are part of a worrying trend towards the militarization of federal agencies — not to mention local police forces.

“Law-enforcement agencies across the U.S., at every level of government, have been blurring the line between police officer and soldier,” journalist Radley Balko writes in his 2013 book Rise of the Warrior Cop. “The war on drugs and, more recently, post-9/11 antiterrorism efforts have created a new figure on the U.S. scene: the warrior cop — armed to the teeth, ready to deal harshly with targeted wrongdoers, and a growing threat to familiar American liberties.”

The proliferation of paramilitary federal SWAT teams inevitably brings abuses that have nothing to do with either drugs or terrorism. Many of the raids they conduct are against harmless, often innocent, Americans who typically are accused of non-violent civil or administrative violations.

The United States of SWAT? | National Review Online

Jorn · #**432** 04-20-2014, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by John Galt

The United States of SWAT? | National Review Online

Thank Homeland Security for the free flow of money to militarize every single police force in America. Now with two wars coming to an end there is going to be another flow of high end capacity weaponry coming to your local Sheriff and police department. We can only blame our selves.

elchivito · #**433** 04-20-2014, 05:58 PM

The town nearest me, a city of less than 10K people, has a fleet of battle clad Hummers, helicopters, enough para-military type SWAT gear to outfit 2 or 3 times as many cops as it actually employs. This is a disturbing trend for sure. It also has no direct bearing on the facts of the Bundy case.

Botnst · #**434** 04-20-2014, 05:58 PM

It's for our security. Don't we feel more secure?

John Galt · #**435** 04-20-2014, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

...This is a disturbing trend for sure. It also has no direct bearing on the facts of the Bundy case.

"a lot of Americans were surprised to see TV images of an armed-to-the-teeth paramilitary wing of the BLM deployed around Bundy’s ranch."
"The proliferation of paramilitary federal SWAT teams inevitably brings abuses that have nothing to do with either drugs or terrorism. Many of the raids they conduct are against harmless, often innocent, Americans who typically are accused of non-violent civil or administrative violations. "