Originally Posted by greazzer

Mandela ... quit a world figure ... I know our Commander in Chief thinks he's the cat's pajamas, but here are some sobering facts about Mandy,

1. M.'s ANC was viewed by the world as a terrorist organization and on the USA's list;
2. The Soviet-backed revolutionary was imprisoned for terrorism, sedition, and sabotage —and complicity in 100's of murders, with his wife inventing necklacing, so there is little to say of the man of peace versus the history of violence, brutality, terror, and communist scheming. By industrial world standards, his prison term was incredibly light.
3. A country which is in a mess because of his incompetence


So, yes let's compare with Mandela

Originally Posted by Dudesky

You said 'what if 'to about 4 or 5 points...and I showed you a 'what if ' guy.

Educate yourself and see.....Judge slapped the US around pretty good.....US comes back and says Hage will lose in the end.....cool.

Notice the little red hilight about no one covering this and other similar cases in MSM?

Bundy gets noticed because MSM can not have anyone challenging their gov't who aren't about to take this crap much longer.....

Originally Posted by aklim

And I am trying to see if how similar it is or whether it is even related.

And? MSM is about selling a story. Flight 370 isn't the main story on CNN. South Korea and the sinking ship is.

Let me guess. A supporter of Obama who controls the media is behind it.

Originally Posted by Dudesky

370 went to the back of the bus several weeks ago....not enough drama anymore.

SK- lots of death and survival drama = viewers = commercial income

Originally Posted by Dudesky

This Bundy is not my hero....fed's own this debacle as much as Bundy. Fed's been puling this water rights crap all over the west.

You hep to environmental justice?

Don't worry El, they going give it all back to Mehico ala La Raza....

Originally Posted by MTI

Directly, or indirectly?

Come to think of it, how many have we all killed, indirectly?

Originally Posted by Botnst

I wouldn't know how to compute something like that.

So I would leave it as unknowable.

If I remember correctly Mr Mandela was jailed for some sort of violence. His choice, he could have simply obeyed the laws.

But wait, he believed the law was unfair and eventually chose a violent path to change.

The only difference among civil disobedience lawbreakers is how history views them in the future and our personal beliefs at the present. I see no objective way to determine when civil disobedience is the moral path. Do you?

Originally Posted by elchivito

Back in what day? Pre-statehood? In that case you'd have to give it back to the Spanish Vaqueros, who'd have to give it back to the indigenous inhabitants. It's an absurd rationale.

The answer to your question "why is it US owns 78% of Nevada?" is found in the copy paste I showed you from the Nevada constitution. Most western states have a similar passage in their own constitutions. It was part of the price of statehood. My own state is about 10% private property, the rest is federal one way or the other. I'm not saying I like it or it's "right", it just IS. The "sovereign citizen" argument is bullshlt. Your cowboy hero is a welfare scammer. I thought you didn't like moochers; you know, those bums waiting for their "free stuff". Cliven Bundy is a perfect example of them.

Originally Posted by Dudesky

Another guy been paying his dues:

Estate of E. Wayne Hage v. United States : SCOTUSblog



Federal Judge Rules for Property Rights, Smacks Down Abusive Feds

This guy won....US is appealing....told him "not to worry, because WE always win in the 9th circuit court of appeals"....

No agenda here....

Originally Posted by Dudesky

Cute.....where is the reference to the one guy squished?