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cmbdiesel · #1 04-20-2014, 04:21 PM

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And if so, would that not be better for the economy and independence from foreign oil? Something conservatives would applaud.

Not the picture I wanted to post.. but some folks are so sensitive....

John Galt · #2 04-20-2014, 05:47 PM

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Regardless of how people feel about Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s standoff with the federal Bureau of Land Management over his cattle’s grazing rights, a lot of Americans were surprised to see TV images of an armed-to-the-teeth paramilitary wing of the BLM deployed around Bundy’s ranch.

They shouldn’t have been. Dozens of federal agencies now have Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT) teams to further an expanding definition of their missions. It’s not controversial that the Secret Service and the Bureau of Prisons have them. But what about the Department of Agriculture, the Railroad Retirement Board, the Tennessee Valley Authority, the Office of Personnel Management, the Consumer Product Safety Commission, and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service? All of these have their own SWAT units and are part of a worrying trend towards the militarization of federal agencies — not to mention local police forces.

“Law-enforcement agencies across the U.S., at every level of government, have been blurring the line between police officer and soldier,” journalist Radley Balko writes in his 2013 book Rise of the Warrior Cop. “The war on drugs and, more recently, post-9/11 antiterrorism efforts have created a new figure on the U.S. scene: the warrior cop — armed to the teeth, ready to deal harshly with targeted wrongdoers, and a growing threat to familiar American liberties.”

The proliferation of paramilitary federal SWAT teams inevitably brings abuses that have nothing to do with either drugs or terrorism. Many of the raids they conduct are against harmless, often innocent, Americans who typically are accused of non-violent civil or administrative violations.

The United States of SWAT? | National Review Online

Jorn · #3 04-20-2014, 06:46 PM

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The United States of SWAT? | National Review Online

Thank Homeland Security for the free flow of money to militarize every single police force in America. Now with two wars coming to an end there is going to be another flow of high end capacity weaponry coming to your local Sheriff and police department. We can only blame our selves.

Dudesky · #4 04-21-2014, 07:28 PM

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Thank Homeland Security for the free flow of money to militarize every single police force in America. Now with two wars coming to an end there is going to be another flow of high end capacity weaponry coming to your local Sheriff and police department. We can only blame our selves.

Didn't Barry want a national police force similar in size and capability to the military?

There's the gazillion bullet purchases.

Diesel911 · #5 04-22-2014, 12:13 AM

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Thank Homeland Security for the free flow of money to militarize every single police force in America. Now with two wars coming to an end there is going to be another flow of high end capacity weaponry coming to your local Sheriff and police department. We can only blame our selves.

In some areas of the Country the Criminals are armed about the same as the Police.
The Criminals have an advantage of not having any Rules of Engagement or Policy to follow and can take Hostages if they want to.
The disadvantage the Criminals have is lack of Training and Unit Cohesion and when the Criminals start to lose it becomes "every Man for themselves".
There is also technical stuff like the Poliece in time can come up with sperior Resourses and of couse have better communication.

Also note that during the "Roaring 20s" the Police were using the Thompson Submachine Gun long be fore the US Army adopted them.

The Police can use any Weapons their Force can afford to provide and the Public lets them get away with.

Jorn · #6 04-22-2014, 01:04 AM

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In some areas of the Country the Criminals are armed about the same as the Police.
The Criminals have an advantage of not having any Rules of Engagement or

I have heard this excuse for years and that's where swat teams were original for. Now they are used for minor offenses, like having unpasteurized milk in your fridge...

Diesel911 · #7 04-24-2014, 02:41 AM

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I have heard this excuse for years and that's where swat teams were original for. Now they are used for minor offenses, like having unpasteurized milk in your fridge...

You will have to speak to who ever it is you Vote for and ask them what the issue is.

But, personally speaking when you see the escalation that People are willing to go through because the Police tried to pull them over and it happens they have Warrants due to some unpaid Parking Tickets you realize it is not just the Police that are crazy.

INSIDIOUS · #8 04-21-2014, 02:15 PM

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Regardless of how people feel about Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s standoff with the federal Bureau of Land Management over his cattle’s grazing rights, a lot of Americans were surprised to see TV images of an armed-to-the-teeth paramilitary wing of the BLM deployed around Bundy’s ranch. They shouldn’t have been. Dozens of federal agencies now have Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT) teams to further an expanding definition of their missions. It’s not controversial that the Secret Service and the Bureau of Prisons have them. But what about the Department of Agriculture, the Railroad Retirement Board, the Tennessee Valley Authority, the Office of Personnel Management, the Consumer Product Safety Commission, and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service? All of these have their own SWAT units and are part of a worrying trend towards the militarization of federal agencies — not to mention local police forces. “Law-enforcement agencies across the U.S., at every level of government, have been blurring the line between police officer and soldier,” journalist Radley Balko writes in his 2013 book Rise of the Warrior Cop. “The war on drugs and, more recently, post-9/11 antiterrorism efforts have created a new figure on the U.S. scene: the warrior cop — armed to the teeth, ready to deal harshly with targeted wrongdoers, and a growing threat to familiar American liberties.” The proliferation of paramilitary federal SWAT teams inevitably brings abuses that have nothing to do with either drugs or terrorism. Many of the raids they conduct are against harmless, often innocent, Americans who typically are accused of non-violent civil or administrative violations.

The United States of SWAT? | National Review Online

Another quote with no comment? I'll comment for you. regards "his cattle’s grazing rights" Cattle have no rights.

elchivito · #9 04-20-2014, 06:58 PM

The town nearest me, a city of less than 10K people, has a fleet of battle clad Hummers, helicopters, enough para-military type SWAT gear to outfit 2 or 3 times as many cops as it actually employs. This is a disturbing trend for sure. It also has no direct bearing on the facts of the Bundy case.

John Galt · #10 04-20-2014, 07:41 PM

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...This is a disturbing trend for sure. It also has no direct bearing on the facts of the Bundy case.

"a lot of Americans were surprised to see TV images of an armed-to-the-teeth paramilitary wing of the BLM deployed around Bundy’s ranch."
"The proliferation of paramilitary federal SWAT teams inevitably brings abuses that have nothing to do with either drugs or terrorism. Many of the raids they conduct are against harmless, often innocent, Americans who typically are accused of non-violent civil or administrative violations. "

INSIDIOUS · #11 04-21-2014, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by John Galt

"a lot of Americans were surprised to see TV images of an armed-to-the-teeth paramilitary wing of the BLM deployed around Bundy’s ranch."
"The proliferation of paramilitary federal SWAT teams inevitably brings abuses that have nothing to do with either drugs or terrorism. Many of the raids they conduct are against harmless, often innocent, Americans who typically are accused of non-violent civil or administrative violations. "

Please explain your post. Do YOU have something to say? This looks like you are just quoting something else with no link?

Jim B. · #12 04-21-2014, 01:33 AM

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The town nearest me, a city of less than 10K people, has a fleet of battle clad Hummers, helicopters, enough para-military type SWAT gear to outfit 2 or 3 times as many cops as it actually employs. This is a disturbing trend for sure. It also has no direct bearing on the facts of the Bundy case.

<----- You are wrong; it absolutely *DOES* have "a direct bearing in the facts of this case".

When the police becomes so militarized, in the chain of command structure, its uniforms, equipment, weapons, tactical training, and "mission" - (the "war" on drugs, for example) and so similar to an army fighting an all-out war, WHY should you be particularly SURPRISED if it then ACTS like a regular army, fighting a war?