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Old 04-20-2014, 08:32 AM
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Anyone for "due process"? Yes, he appears to be in default, but is it right for the government, "men with guns" to confiscate what the government claims is due?
Lets just kill everyone the government says is doing something wrong.
Geezus man.... The guy has been in default for 20 years....
Try actually reading the court cases and judgements, and then following the timeline. The BLM has long been worried about Bundy getting violent. He has repeatedly threatened armed resistance to the feds moving his cattle off the land or confiscating them.'
Bundy is responsible for the escalation of this issue.
Read the reports, do some research... you will find that your assumptions are wrong.

'Men with guns'.... what else can you expect after not complying with court orders, especially for such an extended time, and while spreading such violent rhetoric???
Imagine what he owed was child support... He refuses to pay. Refuses to acknowledge or respect court orders requiring him to pay. He expresses his willingness to resist violently...
That guy would be cuffed face down in the dirt by as many armed LEO's as it took, and you would probably be the first one to cheer their actions.
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Old 04-20-2014, 07:35 PM
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Geezus man.... The guy has been in default for 20 years....
Try actually reading the court cases and judgements, and then following the timeline. The BLM has long been worried about Bundy getting violent. He has repeatedly threatened armed resistance to the feds moving his cattle off the land or confiscating them.'
Bundy is responsible for the escalation of this issue.
Read the reports, do some research... you will find that your assumptions are wrong.

'Men with guns'.... what else can you expect after not complying with court orders, especially for such an extended time, and while spreading such violent rhetoric???
Imagine what he owed was child support... He refuses to pay. Refuses to acknowledge or respect court orders requiring him to pay. He expresses his willingness to resist violently...
That guy would be cuffed face down in the dirt by as many armed LEO's as it took, and you would probably be the first one to cheer their actions.
I'll grant that he has had his day in Court. But still, is there some room between the Sheriff saying, " You owe money", and the huge military force descending on the man's home?
It seems like a huge escalation, and for what? If its the money, then there are people who owe more money but aren't being threatened with military action. If its the desert tortoise--well, the feds killed more of them than anyone.
I just don't see the need for the overt, massive use of force. Hell, we didn't provide this level of support for our diplomatic mission in Benghazi!

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Anyone for "due process"? Yes, he appears to be in default, but is it right for the government, "men with guns" to confiscate what the government claims is due?
Lets just kill everyone the government says is doing something wrong.
Yeah, that's how hitler worked it.
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Yeah, that's how hitler worked it.
And lets welcome Hitler to the party as well, missed that old booger!
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Old 04-20-2014, 03:22 PM
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Yeah, that's how hitler worked it.
And...... The Godwin Award goes to...... LARRY!!!!!!
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Looks like a raid is planned...it will get nasty.

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The executive director of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association says his sources inside the federal government warn that Washington’s weekend retreat in a dispute over grazing land in Nevada was only a move to distract attention and diffuse tensions, because a raid on the family’s ranch still is planned.
Read more at Sheriff: Feds strategize for ‘raid’ on ranch

Harry Reid is pissed.
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Reid on Monday told KRNV-TV in Reno: “It’s not over. We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it’s not over.”
Is Harry talking about Bundy or Obama?

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Old 04-15-2014, 02:59 AM
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Looks like a raid is planned...it will get nasty.




Harry Reid is pissed.

Is Harry talking about Bundy or Obama?
Well, the statement certainly applies more to Obama, but I'm sure he was talking about Bundy. If Bundy is indeed guilty it involves a loss to the government of a relatively small amount of money as opposed to Obama's massive squandering of trillions in order to "fundamentally transform America."
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Old 04-15-2014, 05:59 AM
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Well, the statement certainly applies more to Obama, but I'm sure he was talking about Bundy. If Bundy is indeed guilty it involves a loss to the government of a relatively small amount of money as opposed to Obama's massive squandering of trillions in order to "fundamentally transform America."
1.2 million. Not exactly chump change.....
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I reiterate. There is more to this than is seen on the surface. Time will probably flush it out whatever it is.
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Old 04-15-2014, 08:26 AM
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So to sum up, Cliven Bundy should get to overgraze all he wants and not pay rent on property he doesn't own because somebody else has a plan for the property and Obama takes vacations in strange foreign lands.

Got it.
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Old 04-15-2014, 09:28 AM
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So to sum up, Cliven Bundy should get to overgraze all he wants and not pay rent on property he doesn't own because somebody else has a plan for the property and Obama takes vacations in strange foreign lands.

Got it.
The other take away from some of the folks here . . . You have permission to "fight the power," so long as you fit a certain image and profile.
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Old 04-15-2014, 07:12 PM
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So to sum up, Cliven Bundy should get to overgraze all he wants and not pay rent on property he doesn't own because somebody else has a plan for the property and Obama takes vacations in strange foreign lands.

Got it.
I don't think anybody has said that but you.

Clearly there's sufficient evidence to suggest he is breaking the law.

I don't know about overgrazing, that's subject of contention in the academic community. I have no doubt dueling experts with suitcases of credentials could argue for decades.

It is also clear that sometimes breaking the law is justified -- you and I have argued that point vs Larry on more than one thread.

What determines whether lawbreaking is justified?

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Old 04-15-2014, 08:53 AM
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State of Nevada should put a company of NV National Guard at the Bundy ranch, to foil the gestapo raiding it. Lets see how eager they are to use their guns when there is a group of soldiers that will fire back. TOSIAR
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Old 04-15-2014, 09:02 AM
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State of Nevada should put a company of NV National Guard at the Bundy ranch, to foil the gestapo raiding it. Lets see how eager they are to use their guns when there is a group of soldiers that will fire back. TOSIAR
Didn't realize they had interwebs out there on that Nevada highway....

Curious why you think the state of Nevada has any interest in protecting a scofflaw who is misusing public lands...??
Are you suggesting that the Nevada lawmakers also haven't read their state Constitution?
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Old 04-15-2014, 09:10 AM
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Didn't realize they had interwebs out there on that Nevada highway....

Curious why you think the state of Nevada has any interest in protecting a scofflaw who is misusing public lands...??
Are you suggesting that the Nevada lawmakers also haven't read their state Constitution?
I just don't like the idea of these federal agency hit teams....
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