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cmbdiesel · #**286** 04-16-2014, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by greazzer

It is amazing that certain left wing leaning folks are making Bundy out to be some sort of crook and/or criminal, yet the same left wing folks want to march in the streets with the hope and change gimmick and wealth redistribution mantra. At least Bundy works, so I am guessing the left wing folks just want the free stuff and redistribution of wealth only if you just hang out. It don't figure

Bundy is a crook, and a criminal.
The rest of your post is unfounded, and unhinged.
At least you admit that he is taking the free stuff...

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Originally Posted by greazzer

Mandela ... quit a world figure ... I know our Commander in Chief thinks he's the cat's pajamas, but here are some sobering facts about Mandy,

1. M.'s ANC was viewed by the world as a terrorist organization and on the USA's list;
2. The Soviet-backed revolutionary was imprisoned for terrorism, sedition, and sabotage —and complicity in 100's of murders, with his wife inventing necklacing, so there is little to say of the man of peace versus the history of violence, brutality, terror, and communist scheming. By industrial world standards, his prison term was incredibly light.
3. A country which is in a mess because of his incompetence

Those in power seek to stay in power.
Those who seek to overthrow repressive systems and regimes are often painted as terrorists by the uninformed.
Our founding fathers were considered in the same way when our country was undergoing revolution
You've clearly identified yourself as one of the seriously uninformed.

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Yup, pretty shameful for our Commander in Chief and our media. He (and they) pick some odd heros.

In sunny South Carolina, we had a county and its sherriff under fire for refusing to lower our flag half staff because Mandela met his maker. I guess Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein have some company when Mandela passed.

What was interesting was the reaction on the news ... DoJ was investigating the incident because of racial overtones ...

I wonder what the news would be doing now if Bundy was an old black guy? How about an old black, female ? I can see Al S., Mr. Obama, and mabe a cameo by Jesse J., on horsback waiving their hope and change logo flag.

Racial overtones... you should be familiar enough with those, eh?

cmbdiesel · #**287** 04-16-2014, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

The only difference among civil disobedience lawbreakers is how history views them in the future and our personal beliefs at the present. I see no objective way to determine when civil disobedience is the moral path. Do you?

There is no way to tell when it is the correct path, but I believe that there are ways to tell when it isn't.

Botnst · #**288** 04-16-2014, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

There is no way to tell when it is the correct path, but I believe that there are ways to tell when it isn't.

Give me a clue. I think that is a mystery, too.

Botnst · #**289** 04-16-2014, 08:48 PM

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Although it has nothing to do with Bundy, there were a number of studets run over by a tank on Liubukou street, adjacent to Tiananmen Square during the 1989 protests.
Plenty other folks been run over by the Chinese military as well, but getting any anti-state story from there is pretty difficult.

You think our government is bad....

To bad that fellow didn't have a gun.

aklim · #**290** 04-16-2014, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Give me a clue. I think that is a mystery, too.

How about this. We agree on a path and stick to it. Problem is that when we start saying "Well, this is a good cause and we can bend the rules this one time.", IOW, I like this so we call this an exception but I don't like your cause so no exceptions.

Botnst · #**291** 04-16-2014, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

How about this. We agree on a path and stick to it. Problem is that when we start saying "Well, this is a good cause and we can bend the rules this one time.", IOW, I like this so we call this an exception but I don't like your cause so no exceptions.

That really does not address the question I posed to which you linked, but it does agree nicely with an argument that Larry had previously made but now repudiates.

Here's the context.

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There is no way to tell when it is the correct path, but I believe that there are ways to tell when it isn't.

Bot sez
Give me a clue. I think that is a mystery, too.

greazzer · #**292** 04-16-2014, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Bundy is a crook, and a criminal.
The rest of your post is unfounded, and unhinged.
At least you admit that he is taking the free stuff...

Those in power seek to stay in power.
Those who seek to overthrow repressive systems and regimes are often painted as terrorists by the uninformed.
Our founding fathers were considered in the same way when our country was undergoing revolution
You've clearly identified yourself as one of the seriously uninformed.

Racial overtones... you should be familiar enough with those, eh?

Hmmm ... unfounded personal attacks rank right up there with comparing Mandela with George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, et cet. My goodness the extent some folks will go. It is truly sad.

aklim · #**293** 04-16-2014, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

That really does not address the question I posed to which you linked, but it does agree nicely with an argument that Larry had previously made but now repudiates.

Here's the context.

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel View Post
There is no way to tell when it is the correct path, but I believe that there are ways to tell when it isn't.

Bot sez
Give me a clue. I think that is a mystery, too.

I don't follow. If we agreed on a path and we stick to it and change it in agreement only and not ad hoc, how is that not the correct path?

Botnst · #**294** 04-16-2014, 09:51 PM

CMB says one cannot determine the correct path but can determine the wrong.

I asked how he knows which is the wrong path.

I am curious how one can know one without knowing the other.

You tell me about the path to oranges as opposed to apples. You have made a point that is not germane to the point in question..

cmbdiesel · #**295** 04-16-2014, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Give me a clue. I think that is a mystery, too.

Khmer Rouge?
That might be a bit extreme....

Civil disobedience for personal financial gain maybe?

aklim · #**296** 04-17-2014, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

CMB says one cannot determine the correct path but can determine the wrong.

I asked how he knows which is the wrong path.

I am curious how one can know one without knowing the other.

You tell me about the path to oranges as opposed to apples. You have made a point that is not germane to the point in question..

We agree on a path today. We follow the route until we agree on another path. Following it is correct, deviation is wrong. I agree that in exchange for your car, I make 12 payments a year for 5 years on the 1st of each month. Until we renegotiate and agree to a new plan, observance is correct, deviation is wrong. Is there more?

Botnst · #**297** 04-17-2014, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Khmer Rouge?
That might be a bit extreme....

Civil disobedience for personal financial gain maybe?

In the first case, you can't make an omelette…

The 2nd: Yeah, that seems right. Maybe generalize a bit and say, "… solely for one's own benefit." OTOH, I may get involved for greedy, selfish reasons and personally not give a damned about the impact on others, yet the impact could benefit them greatly. Like for example, the Union commissary suppliers during the Civil War. A dishonest bunch of crooks that sold tainted meat to the soldiers and cut deals with supply officers to enrich them both. Yet had the suppliers NOT gotten involved the army could not have won the war.

cmbdiesel · #**298** 04-17-2014, 07:46 AM

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In the first case, you can't make an omelette…

The 2nd: Yeah, that seems right. Maybe generalize a bit and say, "… solely for one's own benefit." OTOH, I may get involved for greedy, selfish reasons and personally not give a damned about the impact on others, yet the impact could benefit them greatly. Like for example, the Union commissary suppliers during the Civil War. A dishonest bunch of crooks that sold tainted meat to the soldiers and cut deals with supply officers to enrich them both. Yet had the suppliers NOT gotten involved the army could not have won the war.

There you go, mixing our neat little drops of black and whit into grey again...

elchivito · #**299** 04-17-2014, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Dudesky

So why is it BLM are going after so much land for Uncle Sam?

Ladies and Gentlemen, please fasten your tin foil hats.

Government's Shocking Interference in Rancher's Life -The Wayne Hage Story *UPDATED* | Peace . Gold . LOVE

Nobody notice this DIDN'T start under Obama's watch? I'm ashamed of you guys.....

Chronology of Hage's similar situation:

Nevada Journal: Wayne Hage's War

Hage's situation is similar only in that cattle were involved. Otherwise the cases are quite dissimilar.

greazzer · #**300** 04-17-2014, 10:16 AM

It struck me yesterday that some folks always link disagreement with racial overtones. That is, if you disagree with me or my buddies, then you're obviously doing that because of racial "issues." Conversely, I suspect the opposite is true: if you agree with me, then you're not doing so for racial overtones. We have a chief executive who is now basing the last years of his presidency on this tactic. Which is sad. First, it was Bush's fault and now it's because of other, non-legitimate factors. How pathetic can it get?

Whatever happened to the Occupy Wall Street Crowd ? You would think they would come out and support Mr. Bundy. There seemed to be implicit support by the administration of the occupiers, yet our head honcho senator and his beloved son want arrest warrants. I wonder why?