I find your response so very typical of Progressive "thinking". You preach tolerance, but fail to display it, or excuse yourself when you attack it. You also make a very serious charge of racism against ALL who see the matter different than you.
You would not tolerate anyone saying anything like " All gays think this....", or " All blacks are like this...."-- and yet you see no problem with lumping all Conservatives together. ( why are you so inconsistent?)
Progressives hate blacks who fail to think exactly as Progressives think blacks should think---look at the hatred displayed against Justice Thomas. Because he fails to display the "black" attitude, he is assailed by Progressives. You guys call Conservatives hypocrites, and some are--but by no means do Conservatives have a monopoly on that trait.
You want to use race as the wedge to divide people and force your agenda on them. Instead of unifying the people; you divide.
I would gladly support Dr. Ben Carson in any political aspirations he might have. I retain the right to oppose our current President--I also oppose white Progressives, and all for the same reason--Progressivism is the death of a FREE culture.

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No response to this speaks volumes.

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X2. MSFowler nailed the left with that post, 18-ways from Sunday church.

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I'm sorry, I didn't find his post that far off the mark. Hard core racists do tend to think a lot alike. And Limbaugh does have many conservative supporters. No doubt there are a good many who don't but Limbaugh isn't by far the highest paid pundit in our land because he has no supporters.

Not sure if you were trying to be ironic with this part:

Progressives hate blacks who fail to think exactly as Progressives think blacks should think---look at the hatred displayed against Justice Thomas. Because he fails to display the "black" attitude, he is assailed by Progressives.

You complain about 'lumping' conservatives together and then you make a blanket statement like this? I've met numerous conservative blacks that I like. I thought Cain was decent and likable guy, I like Michael Steele all in all. I'm not wild about Thomas but I'm not fool enough to actively hate the guy.

Limbaugh has made a career of going on and on about how 'libs' think. The very sound of it reeks of pejorative.

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I did find Cain entertaining, but then he is an entertainer so he should be. Michael Steele is very sharp guy. He also seems to have some ethics down deep unlike Karl Rove who, according to what those who know him tell me, has none.

I think Thomas is just out of his league and knows it. A lot of people feel the same way about Obama. So what?

Gilding MS Fowler's lily.

I'm sorry, what I said is demonstrably factual. I mean how do racists differ in their thinking? What subtleties are at play in the business of 'don't want none of them ______ in our schools, our churches, and our swimmin' pools?'

And MS's lily is shot through and through with his own stereotypes.
He spoke of it as though it had merit.

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"How do racists differ in their thinking?" Great question. It would be interesting if somebody took the time to investigate it instead of assuming all racists are alike.

In my life I am working hard to avoid the kind of thinking in which, "All XXXX believe YYYY." Sure I fail at it. But it is not from want of trying.

To me, the sin of that thinking is that it allows the thinker to ignore the individual and treat a class as though each individual is indistinguishable. I don't believe that is true, but I cannot offer proof either way. Therefore, due to lack of evidence, I take the conservative position that all people are individuals and should be thus treated. To go the other way commodifies people.

Concerning the dim-bulb in question (Bundy), I have not heard of him speaking favorably of slavery. That is news to me.

I will of course agree that people have many differences. But the essence of racism is some sort of intolerance of people of other racial groups. How it manifests will be different but at its core it would seem to be pretty standard. I hate to admit that racist thoughts rise up in me semi regular though I think I do well in not discriminating or causing any sort of public grief based on that. That would be a distinction right there.

Bundy said words to the effect that while slaves blacks had stable family relationships and something to do whereas now, while on govt. subsidy (his words) many people are idle, babies are aborted. He said young men have no work cuz they never learned to pick cotton, or something in that vein. Ah, here's a transcript:

Nevada Rancher, Conservative Hero: "Negroes" Should Be Picking Cotton

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Slaves may have had stable family lives in some cases but they also had families broken up by selling them to different owners. Not to mention the white men having intercourse with black women whenever they wished in spite of any family considerations.

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All racists believe all races are inferior to one (presumably their own, I guess) race? Is that a fact? There is no possibility that they might think some races are equal and some are not, or that there is a spectrum, or that some races have some superior abilities while others excel (or retard) in others? I believe I have heard lots of different racial beliefs that probably cause as much disagreement among the flavors or racists as with any of those races thus elevated or denigrated.

Bundy: "And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?" he asked. "They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I've often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn't get no more freedom. They got less freedom."

Uggabooga or death by Uggabooga?

I don't believe his analogy is exactly equivalent, but I do believe he is on the right track in that depriving people of freedom is the sin, not the type of bonds put on the slave. The difference between those dependent on gov and a slave is one of choice. People who are dependent have a choice while a slave does not.

You need to stare at a mirror. Your demon is there.

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Oh dude, spare me and get bleeping real. This was in your post, the one in which you complained about stereotyping:

I mean please, racist gubmint haters congregate on the web and bounce their rhetoric off of each other. No surprise at all that they begin to sound alike.

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I find your response very typical of those that don't know what they are talking about. You lump this in with 'All of a group are alike' when in every case you can think of that is not true. Every case but this one, that is.

Join one of these groups. Try to act upon some individual thoughts or disagree with the Leader. Let us know how that works out for you.

You make the mistake of seeing the actions of these folks through the lens of sanity. As you try to make sense of their actions you come up short so you lash out at 'Progressives' because that's the only reaction you can come up with. A totally off the mark reaction, but you are doing the best with what you have.

The first step in understanding these folks, which for me comes from a first-hand knowledge of them, is that they are delusional. When you try to come up with a rational excuse for their actions you will always fail since they are very inconsistent in their views. They are like the cartoon of the guy saying, "I hate the ACA but keep your hands off my Medicare."

You can't understand Crazy or Delusional. You can only deal with it.

Get involved in some of these groups. They travel under many different names but their goals are all the same. Their biggest problem is that when it comes right down to it they cannot tell you what those goals are. Less government? Like what? If they want to live in a Third World they can easily do so but I have never met one that would leave the USA for Central Africa.

They want want America has to offer but they don't want to pay for it. They claim that America is the greatest country on Earth so let's tear it down, start over, and this time do it right which means doing what I tell you and nothing else.

And since you love a free culture so much you should support these nut-jobs because they love freedom so much they want to limit it to only what they say is correct and any if you disagree with them on the smallest detail.... Well, you don't deserve any freedom because you dared to exercise it. See how that works? That's right, it doesn't because it's delusional thinking.

Trying to understand the delusional thinking behind these people is a waste of time. We are a nation of laws; if they don't like them then that's their problem. When they start to steal from me that's my problem and even though you can't see it they are also a problem for everyone.

Including you.