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kerry · #**646** 04-27-2014, 04:58 PM

It's interesting that for all Bundy and his supporters anti-government ranting, he supports slavery. Because, if there's anything that slavery needs it's a strong government with elaborate laws and strong law enforcement to keep the slaves owned and in their place. Minimal levels of government typically require a high degree of equality.

Botnst · #**647** 04-27-2014, 05:04 PM

Does he support slavery?

kerry · #**648** 04-27-2014, 05:05 PM

Near as I can tell. At least for blacks.

cmac2012 · #**649** 04-27-2014, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Gilding MS Fowler's lily.

I'm sorry, what I said is demonstrably factual. I mean how do racists differ in their thinking? What subtleties are at play in the business of 'don't want none of them ______ in our schools, our churches, and our swimmin' pools?'

And MS's lily is shot through and through with his own stereotypes.

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Does he support slavery?

He spoke of it as though it had merit.

t walgamuth · #**650** 04-27-2014, 05:11 PM

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She never has had to explain her actions. Her rather flippant remark angers many. ( What does it matter, anyway?")

She was called to account. She answered their questions. You just think you know her mind better than she does. And her remark was not flippant it was from frustration because the questioners were trying to split hairs about why something did or did not happen when it really would not change the fact that people were dead and nothing would bring them back.

The whole scenario fell apart because our people trusted the local military to protect our consulate and they did not protect it. The level of trust is well illustrated by the fact that our highest ranking person in the country was in the consul building.

cmac2012 · #**651** 04-27-2014, 05:11 PM

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Actually, I feel it is the duty of the planner to make sure the fight is unfair IN THEIR FAVOR. You don't want to come at me with a knife only to find I have a gun basically. If it were me, I'd want to come at you with a tank even if I think you are armed with a stick just to make sure there are less casualties on my side and if there are any, they are your side.

Seems so out of character for you.

Apparently you've had a bundle of assumptions about me for some time.

I don't like being hassled by cops and it rarely happens because I get how the world works. But cops are sometimes asses and while it's not good, I've concluded that modern society as we know it needs cops. As they are doing our bidding, usually, it's naïve to expect them to risk their lives in order to give some lawbreaker and even chance.

cmac2012 · #**652** 04-27-2014, 05:28 PM

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If you had listened to the original transcript, you would know that it was a listener that first speculated that the shoe-throwing was a staged event. Of course, Rush then went on to note that with the Clintons, you never know. Remember the staged cross at Normandy --a beach with no stones, but there were just enough around for him to spontaneously make a cross. Or the dance on the beach--which was ignored until the press spokesman went overboard saying it was a private moment and no pictures were to be taken.

Nothing concerning the Clintons is spontaneous; everything is played for max political theater. Not even Obama can come close to their level on this matter.

And if you could be bothered to listen to the link I posted, you'd have heard that other R notables also speculated that the event was staged. I forget who they were offhand. A listener suggested it to Limbaugh but he had no problem expounding on the point. The lady who did the shoe throwing is demonstrably bat**** crazy from her previous acting out episodes. I'm just sure the Clinton's would risk a ruse like that with someone who couldn't reliably be counted on to keep the secret. The notion is risible at best.

Botnst · #**653** 04-27-2014, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

I'm sorry, what I said is demonstrably factual. I mean how do racists differ in their thinking? What subtleties are at play in the business of 'don't want none of them ______ in our schools, our churches, and our swimmin' pools?'

And MS's lily is shot through and through with his own stereotypes.

He spoke of it as though it had merit.

"How do racists differ in their thinking?" Great question. It would be interesting if somebody took the time to investigate it instead of assuming all racists are alike.

In my life I am working hard to avoid the kind of thinking in which, "All XXXX believe YYYY." Sure I fail at it. But it is not from want of trying.

To me, the sin of that thinking is that it allows the thinker to ignore the individual and treat a class as though each individual is indistinguishable. I don't believe that is true, but I cannot offer proof either way. Therefore, due to lack of evidence, I take the conservative position that all people are individuals and should be thus treated. To go the other way commodifies people.

Concerning the dim-bulb in question (Bundy), I have not heard of him speaking favorably of slavery. That is news to me.

Botnst · #**654** 04-27-2014, 05:30 PM

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I don't like being hassled by cops and it rarely happens because I get how the world works. But cops are sometimes asses and while it's not good, I've concluded that modern society as we know it needs cops. As they are doing our bidding, usually, it's naïve to expect them to risk their lives in order to give some lawbreaker and even chance.

I agree with you on this.

aklim · #**655** 04-27-2014, 05:44 PM

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Same rationale applied at Waco.

Took too long to come to the proper conclusion, IMO

cmac2012 · #**656** 04-27-2014, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

"How do racists differ in their thinking?" Great question. It would be interesting if somebody took the time to investigate it instead of assuming all racists are alike.

In my life I am working hard to avoid the kind of thinking in which, "All XXXX believe YYYY." Sure I fail at it. But it is not from want of trying.

To me, the sin of that thinking is that it allows the thinker to ignore the individual and treat a class as though each individual is indistinguishable. I don't believe that is true, but I cannot offer proof either way. Therefore, due to lack of evidence, I take the conservative position that all people are individuals and should be thus treated. To go the other way commodifies people.

Concerning the dim-bulb in question (Bundy), I have not heard of him speaking favorably of slavery. That is news to me.

I will of course agree that people have many differences. But the essence of racism is some sort of intolerance of people of other racial groups. How it manifests will be different but at its core it would seem to be pretty standard. I hate to admit that racist thoughts rise up in me semi regular though I think I do well in not discriminating or causing any sort of public grief based on that. That would be a distinction right there.

Bundy said words to the effect that while slaves blacks had stable family relationships and something to do whereas now, while on govt. subsidy (his words) many people are idle, babies are aborted. He said young men have no work cuz they never learned to pick cotton, or something in that vein. Ah, here's a transcript:

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"I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro," he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, "and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn't have nothing to do. They didn't have nothing for their kids to do. They didn't have nothing for their young girls to do.

"And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?" he asked. "They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I've often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn't get no more freedom. They got less freedom."

Nevada Rancher, Conservative Hero: "Negroes" Should Be Picking Cotton

aklim · #**657** 04-27-2014, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

Apparently you've had a bundle of assumptions about me for some time.

I don't like being hassled by cops and it rarely happens because I get how the world works. But cops are sometimes asses and while it's not good, I've concluded that modern society as we know it needs cops. As they are doing our bidding, usually, it's naïve to expect them to risk their lives in order to give some lawbreaker and even chance.

I don't meet too many people that think people like them should be stomped into the ground. Never expected it from someone who seems to value the life of others more than I. Still, what can I say. Can't always be right. Most times is good enough.

t walgamuth · #**658** 04-27-2014, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

I will of course agree that people have many differences. But the essence of racism is some sort of intolerance of people of other racial groups. How it manifests will be different but at its core it would seem to be pretty standard. I hate to admit that racist thoughts rise up in me semi regular though I think I do well in not discriminating or causing any sort of public grief based on that. That would be a distinction right there.

Bundy said words to the effect that while slaves blacks had stable family relationships and something to do whereas now, while on govt. subsidy (his words) many people are idle, babies are aborted. He said young men have no work cuz they never learned to pick cotton, or something in that vein. Ah, here's a transcript:

Nevada Rancher, Conservative Hero: "Negroes" Should Be Picking Cotton

Slaves may have had stable family lives in some cases but they also had families broken up by selling them to different owners. Not to mention the white men having intercourse with black women whenever they wished in spite of any family considerations.

cmac2012 · #**659** 04-27-2014, 06:56 PM

What, I think people like me should be stomped into the ground? Sorry, doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Bundy is not like me. I haven't done what he's done and I wasn't suggesting he be stomped into the ground because of it, just that if he wants to threaten force then a significantly larger amount of force should be used to interrupt his prolonged play-date.

MS Fowler · #**660** 04-27-2014, 08:37 PM

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Seething more than usual, aren't we?

If you see rage in my response, its in your own mind.