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cmac2012 · #1 04-27-2014, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

I find your response so very typical of Progressive "thinking". You preach tolerance, but fail to display it, or excuse yourself when you attack it. You also make a very serious charge of racism against ALL who see the matter different than you.
You would not tolerate anyone saying anything like " All gays think this....", or " All blacks are like this...."-- and yet you see no problem with lumping all Conservatives together. ( why are you so inconsistent?)
Progressives hate blacks who fail to think exactly as Progressives think blacks should think---look at the hatred displayed against Justice Thomas. Because he fails to display the "black" attitude, he is assailed by Progressives. You guys call Conservatives hypocrites, and some are--but by no means do Conservatives have a monopoly on that trait.
You want to use race as the wedge to divide people and force your agenda on them. Instead of unifying the people; you divide.
I would gladly support Dr. Ben Carson in any political aspirations he might have. I retain the right to oppose our current President--I also oppose white Progressives, and all for the same reason--Progressivism is the death of a FREE culture.

I'm sorry, I didn't find his post that far off the mark. Hard core racists do tend to think a lot alike. And Limbaugh does have many conservative supporters. No doubt there are a good many who don't but Limbaugh isn't by far the highest paid pundit in our land because he has no supporters.

Not sure if you were trying to be ironic with this part:

Progressives hate blacks who fail to think exactly as Progressives think blacks should think---look at the hatred displayed against Justice Thomas. Because he fails to display the "black" attitude, he is assailed by Progressives.

You complain about 'lumping' conservatives together and then you make a blanket statement like this? I've met numerous conservative blacks that I like. I thought Cain was decent and likable guy, I like Michael Steele all in all. I'm not wild about Thomas but I'm not fool enough to actively hate the guy.

Limbaugh has made a career of going on and on about how 'libs' think. The very sound of it reeks of pejorative.

Idle · #2 04-27-2014, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

I'm sorry, I didn't find his post that far off the mark. Hard core racists do tend to think a lot alike. And Limbaugh does have many conservative supporters. No doubt there are a good many who don't but Limbaugh isn't by far the highest paid pundit in our land because he has no supporters.

Not sure if you were trying to be ironic with this part:

Progressives hate blacks who fail to think exactly as Progressives think blacks should think---look at the hatred displayed against Justice Thomas. Because he fails to display the "black" attitude, he is assailed by Progressives.

You complain about 'lumping' conservatives together and then you make a blanket statement like this? I've met numerous conservative blacks that I like. I thought Cain was decent and likable guy, I like Michael Steele all in all. I'm not wild about Thomas but I'm not fool enough to actively hate the guy.

Limbaugh has made a career of going on and on about how 'libs' think. The very sound of it reeks of pejorative.

I did find Cain entertaining, but then he is an entertainer so he should be. Michael Steele is very sharp guy. He also seems to have some ethics down deep unlike Karl Rove who, according to what those who know him tell me, has none.

I think Thomas is just out of his league and knows it. A lot of people feel the same way about Obama. So what?

Botnst · #3 04-27-2014, 05:33 PM

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I... Hard core racists do tend to think a lot alike.....

Gilding MS Fowler's lily.

cmac2012 · #4 04-27-2014, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Gilding MS Fowler's lily.

I'm sorry, what I said is demonstrably factual. I mean how do racists differ in their thinking? What subtleties are at play in the business of 'don't want none of them ______ in our schools, our churches, and our swimmin' pools?'

And MS's lily is shot through and through with his own stereotypes.

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Does he support slavery?

He spoke of it as though it had merit.

Botnst · #5 04-27-2014, 06:28 PM

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I'm sorry, what I said is demonstrably factual. I mean how do racists differ in their thinking? What subtleties are at play in the business of 'don't want none of them ______ in our schools, our churches, and our swimmin' pools?'

And MS's lily is shot through and through with his own stereotypes.

He spoke of it as though it had merit.

"How do racists differ in their thinking?" Great question. It would be interesting if somebody took the time to investigate it instead of assuming all racists are alike.

In my life I am working hard to avoid the kind of thinking in which, "All XXXX believe YYYY." Sure I fail at it. But it is not from want of trying.

To me, the sin of that thinking is that it allows the thinker to ignore the individual and treat a class as though each individual is indistinguishable. I don't believe that is true, but I cannot offer proof either way. Therefore, due to lack of evidence, I take the conservative position that all people are individuals and should be thus treated. To go the other way commodifies people.

Concerning the dim-bulb in question (Bundy), I have not heard of him speaking favorably of slavery. That is news to me.

cmac2012 · #6 04-27-2014, 06:46 PM

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"How do racists differ in their thinking?" Great question. It would be interesting if somebody took the time to investigate it instead of assuming all racists are alike.

In my life I am working hard to avoid the kind of thinking in which, "All XXXX believe YYYY." Sure I fail at it. But it is not from want of trying.

To me, the sin of that thinking is that it allows the thinker to ignore the individual and treat a class as though each individual is indistinguishable. I don't believe that is true, but I cannot offer proof either way. Therefore, due to lack of evidence, I take the conservative position that all people are individuals and should be thus treated. To go the other way commodifies people.

Concerning the dim-bulb in question (Bundy), I have not heard of him speaking favorably of slavery. That is news to me.

I will of course agree that people have many differences. But the essence of racism is some sort of intolerance of people of other racial groups. How it manifests will be different but at its core it would seem to be pretty standard. I hate to admit that racist thoughts rise up in me semi regular though I think I do well in not discriminating or causing any sort of public grief based on that. That would be a distinction right there.

Bundy said words to the effect that while slaves blacks had stable family relationships and something to do whereas now, while on govt. subsidy (his words) many people are idle, babies are aborted. He said young men have no work cuz they never learned to pick cotton, or something in that vein. Ah, here's a transcript:

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"I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro," he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, "and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn't have nothing to do. They didn't have nothing for their kids to do. They didn't have nothing for their young girls to do.

"And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?" he asked. "They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I've often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn't get no more freedom. They got less freedom."

Nevada Rancher, Conservative Hero: "Negroes" Should Be Picking Cotton

t walgamuth · #7 04-27-2014, 07:51 PM

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I will of course agree that people have many differences. But the essence of racism is some sort of intolerance of people of other racial groups. How it manifests will be different but at its core it would seem to be pretty standard. I hate to admit that racist thoughts rise up in me semi regular though I think I do well in not discriminating or causing any sort of public grief based on that. That would be a distinction right there.

Bundy said words to the effect that while slaves blacks had stable family relationships and something to do whereas now, while on govt. subsidy (his words) many people are idle, babies are aborted. He said young men have no work cuz they never learned to pick cotton, or something in that vein. Ah, here's a transcript:

Nevada Rancher, Conservative Hero: "Negroes" Should Be Picking Cotton

Slaves may have had stable family lives in some cases but they also had families broken up by selling them to different owners. Not to mention the white men having intercourse with black women whenever they wished in spite of any family considerations.

aklim · #8 04-27-2014, 09:42 PM

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Slaves may have had stable family lives in some cases but they also had families broken up by selling them to different owners. Not to mention the white men having intercourse with black women whenever they wished in spite of any family considerations.

Well, when it is your property, I guess you can have sex with the person of your choice. Much like a gold digger. You sold yourself as property to that rich man, you don't get to say "No". In the case of the black people, it was someone else that sold them so it is different.

Botnst · #9 04-27-2014, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

I will of course agree that people have many differences. But the essence of racism is some sort of intolerance of people of other racial groups. How it manifests will be different but at its core it would seem to be pretty standard. I hate to admit that racist thoughts rise up in me semi regular though I think I do well in not discriminating or causing any sort of public grief based on that. That would be a distinction right there.

Bundy said words to the effect that while slaves blacks had stable family relationships and something to do whereas now, while on govt. subsidy (his words) many people are idle, babies are aborted. He said young men have no work cuz they never learned to pick cotton, or something in that vein. Ah, here's a transcript:

Nevada Rancher, Conservative Hero: "Negroes" Should Be Picking Cotton

All racists believe all races are inferior to one (presumably their own, I guess) race? Is that a fact? There is no possibility that they might think some races are equal and some are not, or that there is a spectrum, or that some races have some superior abilities while others excel (or retard) in others? I believe I have heard lots of different racial beliefs that probably cause as much disagreement among the flavors or racists as with any of those races thus elevated or denigrated.

Bundy: "And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?" he asked. "They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I've often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn't get no more freedom. They got less freedom."

Uggabooga or death by Uggabooga?

I don't believe his analogy is exactly equivalent, but I do believe he is on the right track in that depriving people of freedom is the sin, not the type of bonds put on the slave. The difference between those dependent on gov and a slave is one of choice. People who are dependent have a choice while a slave does not.

kerry · #10 04-27-2014, 10:57 PM

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The difference between those dependent on gov and a slave is one of choice. People who are dependent have a choice while a slave does not.

There are more differences than that. Someone who is on unemployment is dependent to some degree but owns their own children, gets to vote, and has a whole array of constitutional rights denied the slave. We're all dependent in some way.

MS Fowler · #11 04-27-2014, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

I'm sorry, what I said is demonstrably factual. I mean how do racists differ in their thinking? What subtleties are at play in the business of 'don't want none of them ______ in our schools, our churches, and our swimmin' pools?'

And MS's lily is shot through and through with his own stereotypes.

He spoke of it as though it had merit.

You need to stare at a mirror. Your demon is there.

cmac2012 · #12 04-28-2014, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

You need to stare at a mirror. Your demon is there.

Oh dude, spare me and get bleeping real. This was in your post, the one in which you complained about stereotyping:

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Progressives hate blacks who fail to think exactly as Progressives think blacks should think---look at the hatred displayed against Justice Thomas. Because he fails to display the "black" attitude, he is assailed by Progressives. You guys call Conservatives hypocrites, and some are--but by no means do Conservatives have a monopoly on that trait.

I mean please, racist gubmint haters congregate on the web and bounce their rhetoric off of each other. No surprise at all that they begin to sound alike.