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aklim · #**616** 04-26-2014, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry

If you listen to that history, it actually does.

Regardless of how likable he is or is not, unless you are a politician, what does it matter? Either what he did is legal or it is not. Like or dislike has nothing to do with it. Should we tolerate a Grand Dragon of the Klan being abused by a cop any more than a kindly grandpa? I think not.

kerry · #**617** 04-26-2014, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Regardless of how likable he is or is not, unless you are a politician, what does it matter? Either what he did is legal or it is not. Like or dislike has nothing to do with it. Should we tolerate a Grand Dragon of the Klan being abused by a cop any more than a kindly grandpa? I think not.

I agree we shouldn't tolerate abuse. Did I ever write that we should? What I linked was an explanation of Bundy's political philosophy which explains why he refuses to pay the federal government for grazing fees and why he refuses to accept the authority of anyone above the level of a county sheriff. That political philosophy is intimately related to the history and political philosophy of racism in this country. He's not just a guy late on his rent.

aklim · #**618** 04-26-2014, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry

I agree we shouldn't tolerate abuse. Did I ever write that we should? What I linked was an explanation of Bundy's political philosophy which explains why he refuses to pay the federal government for grazing fees and why he refuses to accept the authority of anyone above the level of a county sheriff. That political philosophy is intimately related to the history and political philosophy of racism in this country. He's not just a guy late on his rent.

I was using cop abuse as an example.

Simply put, he was a freeloader. He wanted the benefits of the country but none of the responsibilities. Draft dodgers also have their excuses for why they do what they do and come back when it is over. If you ask murderers, they also have an excuse. If he didn't want to accept any authority above Sheriff unless it is convenient, perhaps he should move to a country that allows that. Sorry, history is littered with all kinds of excuses. There is history that allows disputes to be settled by duel. Doesn't mean we can do it today. That was then, this is now.

The link show perfectly why they should come in with overwhelming force and burn everything in the area.

Skippy · #**619** 04-26-2014, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry

Here's a very interesting history of the political roots of Bundy's views.

Radical racist context missed in rancher hype | MSNBC

So he's a nutter. He's already shown us that. I don't think knowing the particular type of nutter that he is changes anything.

t walgamuth · #**620** 04-26-2014, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry

If you listen to that history, it actually does.

I watched your link and now agree. ...but his newly discovered racism is not necessary to evict him, that was the point I was trying to make. His beliefs are really wild.

Dubyagee · #**621** 04-26-2014, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

I find your response so very typical of Progressive "thinking". You preach tolerance, but fail to display it, or excuse yourself when you attack it. You also make a very serious charge of racism against ALL who see the matter different than you.

You would not tolerate anyone saying anything like " All gays think this....", or " All blacks are like this...."-- and yet you see no problem with lumping all Conservatives together. ( why are you so inconsistent?)

Progressives hate blacks who fail to think exactly as Progressives think blacks should think---look at the hatred displayed against Justice Thomas. Because he fails to display the "black" attitude, he is assailed by Progressives. You guys call Conservatives hypocrites, and some are--but by no means do Conservatives have a monopoly on that trait.

You want to use race as the wedge to divide people and force your agenda on them. Instead of unifying the people; you divide.

I would gladly support Dr. Ben Carson in any political aspirations he might have. I retain the right to oppose our current President--I also oppose white Progressives, and all for the same reason--Progressivism is the death of a FREE culture.

No response to this speaks volumes.

Skid Row Joe · #**622** 04-26-2014, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

I find your response so very typical of Progressive "thinking". You preach tolerance, but fail to display it, or excuse yourself when you attack it. You also make a very serious charge of racism against ALL who see the matter different than you.
You would not tolerate anyone saying anything like " All gays think this....", or " All blacks are like this...."-- and yet you see no problem with lumping all Conservatives together. ( why are you so inconsistent?)
Progressives hate blacks who fail to think exactly as Progressives think blacks should think---look at the hatred displayed against Justice Thomas. Because he fails to display the "black" attitude, he is assailed by Progressives. You guys call Conservatives hypocrites, and some are--but by no means do Conservatives have a monopoly on that trait.
You want to use race as the wedge to divide people and force your agenda on them. Instead of unifying the people; you divide.
I would gladly support Dr. Ben Carson in any political aspirations he might have. I retain the right to oppose our current President--I also oppose white Progressives, and all for the same reason--Progressivism is the death of a FREE culture.

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Originally Posted by Dubyagee

No response to this speaks volumes.

X2. MSFowler nailed the left with that post, 18-ways from Sunday church.

cmac2012 · #**623** 04-27-2014, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Forget the government's military reaction against a citizen--LOOK Over here---it a Red Herring. Look..look

Does his racism, or lack thereof have any bearing on the government's action? Its OK to use excessive force against a racists, right?

and the German Middle class overlooked the early attacks on the Jews--even educated Jews thought they had nothing to fear.
Fascism is fascism, no matter how it may be disguised.

BLM is not obligated to make it a fair fight. Bundy had threatened violence in the past.

Overwhelming force makes it less likely that a fool like Bundy would start plugging away. If he does, one might conclude he would have shot and killed, say, a pair of officers, so with a crowd of LEOs, the pea-brain can be swiftly neutralized, excuse me while I brush away a tear.

cmac2012 · #**624** 04-27-2014, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Regardless of how likable he is or is not, unless you are a politician, what does it matter? Either what he did is legal or it is not. Like or dislike has nothing to do with it. Should we tolerate a Grand Dragon of the Klan being abused by a cop any more than a kindly grandpa? I think not.

Your last sentence could be leading the witness. Was Bundy actively abused by BLM police?

cmac2012 · #**625** 04-27-2014, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

I find your response so very typical of Progressive "thinking". You preach tolerance, but fail to display it, or excuse yourself when you attack it. You also make a very serious charge of racism against ALL who see the matter different than you.
You would not tolerate anyone saying anything like " All gays think this....", or " All blacks are like this...."-- and yet you see no problem with lumping all Conservatives together. ( why are you so inconsistent?)
Progressives hate blacks who fail to think exactly as Progressives think blacks should think---look at the hatred displayed against Justice Thomas. Because he fails to display the "black" attitude, he is assailed by Progressives. You guys call Conservatives hypocrites, and some are--but by no means do Conservatives have a monopoly on that trait.
You want to use race as the wedge to divide people and force your agenda on them. Instead of unifying the people; you divide.
I would gladly support Dr. Ben Carson in any political aspirations he might have. I retain the right to oppose our current President--I also oppose white Progressives, and all for the same reason--Progressivism is the death of a FREE culture.

I'm sorry, I didn't find his post that far off the mark. Hard core racists do tend to think a lot alike. And Limbaugh does have many conservative supporters. No doubt there are a good many who don't but Limbaugh isn't by far the highest paid pundit in our land because he has no supporters.

Not sure if you were trying to be ironic with this part:

Progressives hate blacks who fail to think exactly as Progressives think blacks should think---look at the hatred displayed against Justice Thomas. Because he fails to display the "black" attitude, he is assailed by Progressives.

You complain about 'lumping' conservatives together and then you make a blanket statement like this? I've met numerous conservative blacks that I like. I thought Cain was decent and likable guy, I like Michael Steele all in all. I'm not wild about Thomas but I'm not fool enough to actively hate the guy.

Limbaugh has made a career of going on and on about how 'libs' think. The very sound of it reeks of pejorative.

Idle · #**626** 04-27-2014, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

I find your response so very typical of Progressive "thinking". You preach tolerance, but fail to display it, or excuse yourself when you attack it. You also make a very serious charge of racism against ALL who see the matter different than you.
You would not tolerate anyone saying anything like " All gays think this....", or " All blacks are like this...."-- and yet you see no problem with lumping all Conservatives together. ( why are you so inconsistent?)
Progressives hate blacks who fail to think exactly as Progressives think blacks should think---look at the hatred displayed against Justice Thomas. Because he fails to display the "black" attitude, he is assailed by Progressives. You guys call Conservatives hypocrites, and some are--but by no means do Conservatives have a monopoly on that trait.
You want to use race as the wedge to divide people and force your agenda on them. Instead of unifying the people; you divide.
I would gladly support Dr. Ben Carson in any political aspirations he might have. I retain the right to oppose our current President--I also oppose white Progressives, and all for the same reason--Progressivism is the death of a FREE culture.

I find your response very typical of those that don't know what they are talking about. You lump this in with 'All of a group are alike' when in every case you can think of that is not true. Every case but this one, that is.

Join one of these groups. Try to act upon some individual thoughts or disagree with the Leader. Let us know how that works out for you.

You make the mistake of seeing the actions of these folks through the lens of sanity. As you try to make sense of their actions you come up short so you lash out at 'Progressives' because that's the only reaction you can come up with. A totally off the mark reaction, but you are doing the best with what you have.

The first step in understanding these folks, which for me comes from a first-hand knowledge of them, is that they are delusional. When you try to come up with a rational excuse for their actions you will always fail since they are very inconsistent in their views. They are like the cartoon of the guy saying, "I hate the ACA but keep your hands off my Medicare."

You can't understand Crazy or Delusional. You can only deal with it.

Get involved in some of these groups. They travel under many different names but their goals are all the same. Their biggest problem is that when it comes right down to it they cannot tell you what those goals are. Less government? Like what? If they want to live in a Third World they can easily do so but I have never met one that would leave the USA for Central Africa.

They want want America has to offer but they don't want to pay for it. They claim that America is the greatest country on Earth so let's tear it down, start over, and this time do it right which means doing what I tell you and nothing else.

And since you love a free culture so much you should support these nut-jobs because they love freedom so much they want to limit it to only what they say is correct and any if you disagree with them on the smallest detail.... Well, you don't deserve any freedom because you dared to exercise it. See how that works? That's right, it doesn't because it's delusional thinking.

Trying to understand the delusional thinking behind these people is a waste of time. We are a nation of laws; if they don't like them then that's their problem. When they start to steal from me that's my problem and even though you can't see it they are also a problem for everyone.

Including you.

Idle · #**627** 04-27-2014, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

I'm sorry, I didn't find his post that far off the mark. Hard core racists do tend to think a lot alike. And Limbaugh does have many conservative supporters. No doubt there are a good many who don't but Limbaugh isn't by far the highest paid pundit in our land because he has no supporters.

Not sure if you were trying to be ironic with this part:

Progressives hate blacks who fail to think exactly as Progressives think blacks should think---look at the hatred displayed against Justice Thomas. Because he fails to display the "black" attitude, he is assailed by Progressives.

You complain about 'lumping' conservatives together and then you make a blanket statement like this? I've met numerous conservative blacks that I like. I thought Cain was decent and likable guy, I like Michael Steele all in all. I'm not wild about Thomas but I'm not fool enough to actively hate the guy.

Limbaugh has made a career of going on and on about how 'libs' think. The very sound of it reeks of pejorative.

I did find Cain entertaining, but then he is an entertainer so he should be. Michael Steele is very sharp guy. He also seems to have some ethics down deep unlike Karl Rove who, according to what those who know him tell me, has none.

I think Thomas is just out of his league and knows it. A lot of people feel the same way about Obama. So what?

aklim · #**628** 04-27-2014, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

BLM is not obligated to make it a fair fight. Bundy had threatened violence in the past.

Overwhelming force makes it less likely that a fool like Bundy would start plugging away. If he does, one might conclude he would have shot and killed, say, a pair of officers, so with a crowd of LEOs, the pea-brain can be swiftly neutralized, excuse me while I brush away a tear.

Actually, I feel it is the duty of the planner to make sure the fight is unfair IN THEIR FAVOR. You don't want to come at me with a knife only to find I have a gun basically. If it were me, I'd want to come at you with a tank even if I think you are armed with a stick just to make sure there are less casualties on my side and if there are any, they are your side.

Seems so out of character for you.

elchivito · #**629** 04-27-2014, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by kerry

Here's a very interesting history of the political roots of Bundy's views.

Radical racist context missed in rancher hype | MSNBC

Maddow's insight is spot on once again. For me personally the main issue is Bundy's misuse of public land. Why he feels that way IS important.

He has a lot of support among people I associate with, and it's out of ignorance, as Maddow hopes. I've actually been able to have a few friends take a second look at the issue and conclude he's wrong.

t walgamuth · #**630** 04-27-2014, 11:56 AM

A lot of folks on the political right have become convinced that the government is completely bad and incompetent at anything they might try. They have allowed themselves to be brainwashed by the likes of Limblow.