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Jim B. · #16 06-23-2014, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Benzasaurus

I hear you. And I completely agree the reason why there isn't policy reform is because generally the victims are not the people making the policies.

I don't know about the idea that I shouldn't drive alone at night. I'd much rather as a society we told rapists not to rape—and pursue and prosecute them when they do—than tell me I have to limit my life to avoid it. We often try to prevent rape by talking to potential victims rather than changing the culture. Anyway, topic for a different thread.

I'd rather call 911 and explain my situation as I drove to a gas station. I'm a very careful driver (like to drive defensively because I love the car) so that would be a tip off for me if someone came after me to pull me over at 11 at night on a deserted road and I hadn't done anything wrong. That would be a real sink down in the seat and call 911 moment.

But yeah, basically, the police frighten me. They can overreact and most of the time they are above the law. They are also many cases of actual cops raping women in their custody fwiw. Another good reason to have 911 on the phone when you talk with them.

^^^^^ Well and astutely said!

Jorn · #17 06-23-2014, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

Women cannot legally drive motor vehicles in Saudi Arabia.

No ****.

aklim · #18 06-23-2014, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

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that said, anyone in the medical profession KNOWS that people who are in physical pain may say or do things that are out of character. Those who have never experienced severe hip pain and trauma may not understand completely her words and actions.

I'm no bleeding heart

but she didn't whip out a tazer or pull a gun on the cop, she merely wanted to see his badge number which she has a right to see. She also has the right to ask for and receive his business card.

There have been more than a few cases involving men impersonating cops who used the ploy to attack and rape women.

Not at all controversial. You don't grab the cop.

Possibly but if you are in that level of pain, why are you driving? Oh, out of character?

Fiction time, is it?

Yeah, and the grabbing part is what? Not buying it but you can believe what you want out of it.

One guy on a lonely street, sure. 2 or more guys? Gets harder to believe unless you are wanting to believe it.

aklim · #19 06-23-2014, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

Wonder if that coward of a cop would piss his pants like a small child if confronted with someone who's actually a threat. (And hope that he meets with an unexpected threat soon.)

You know he is a coward because you wanted to believe it or because you think that you should be able to get physical with a cop and he has to put up with it or is called a coward by you?

aklim · #20 06-23-2014, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Skippy

and touched a cop (very bad idea).

I LMFAO watching her get dragged to the squad car. I wonder if she's found out that the citing officer's name is on the citation?

Bottom line: Whatever issue you're having with a LEO, save it all for the judge.

Definitely the stupid thing to do.

You and me both but I'm sure she already can read the news and figure out his name.

I would but the vest grabbing consequence is so much more fun for us to watch.

cmac2012 · #21 06-23-2014, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Benzasaurus

I agree with you. Complicity in the system, unwillingness to go after cops, is tied to all kinds of problems. You may/may not know about this. Cops get away with a harrowing amount of domestic abuse, and 40% of police officers' partners experience abuse compared to the national average of 25%.

I don't want to defend bad cops, OTOH, it is a hard job and a lot of people don't want to do it. Some of them who most want to do it are exactly the ones who shouldn't, and I gather that many PDs try hard to weed those people out.

During my years of night shift cab driving, I got a glimpse of the bad actors that cops have to deal with day in and day out. I've seen cops try to make an arrest while surrounded by a growing crowd of noisy nearby residents, this in the inner city.

Many other nations have much worse police problems than we do and countries with no cops have warlords keeping their own order.

In my time I've encountered few bad cops but quite a few more good cops.

The lady erred in initiating contact. Not wise, not well founded.

Botnst · #22 06-23-2014, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Benzasaurus

As for the rape thing, I know a few years ago I wouldn't have hesitated to pull over for an unmarked Crown Vic with lights going. It would never have occurred to me it could be someone trying to trick me. But now I would drive to a gas station and pull in, call 911 on speaker while doing it and maybe just go slow in the shoulder while waiting for them to contact the officer. There's no winning. If you stop and ask for ID, if it's a rapist they probably will have a gun and just force you out. I think lots of states have outlawed unmarked cars making traffic stops for this reason.

That's right. Cop impersonators and other just plain evil men.

We had at least one serial rapist/murderer around here that was finally caught after leaving a bloody trail (Derrick Todd Lee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) I had met one of his victims who came to my office looking for grad school ideas. Nice kid.

Then there was the murder of a girl who ran in one of my daughter's social circle (Mickey Shunick Killer Pleads Guilty, Court Document Reveals Desperate Fight for Her Life - ABC News).

After those events, my wife and daughters (now all adults) are armed. And they shoot fairly regularly.

spdrun · #23 06-23-2014, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

You know he is a coward because you wanted to believe it or because you think that you should be able to get physical with a cop and he has to put up with it or is called a coward by you?

Big difference between punching a cop in the face and grabbing for his badge. Cops should have to put up with a lot of crap, yes. They signed up for the job. Let them live with it or switch jobs. They're not some sort of heroes as many Americans think, especially after 9/11. They're just employees hired to do a job, and they can do it well or poorly.

Would it be seen as acceptable if a waiter assaulted someone who grabbed his name tag? Didn't think so. So why the hell is this behavior acceptable from a cop, when simply taking a few steps to the side would have diffused the situation? And why didn't the cop show his badge and give his name as asked -- was he hiding something, or just on a power trip as is usual with some cops?

Here's the lady's LinkedIn, BTW:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/banamouwakeh

Looks like she's far more intelligent and useful to society than that Neanderthal twit of a cop. BTW - there might be a racial angle as well. She's Middle Eastern. There are a lot of ex-military people in San Diego, including on the police force. They were brainwashed not to have much love for people of Middle Eastern origin.

Lastly, she was charged with battery. While this may have met the letter of the law, with anyone other than a cop, unless there was actual physical injury, it would never have been prosecuted.

HuskyMan · #24 06-23-2014, 09:57 AM

I watch the news carefully and notice that the majority of violent incidents take place after the sun goes down. Think about it; criminals like cover of darkness, it is much more difficult to see what they are doing and more difficult for witnesses to identify them. In addition, one's risk of a car accident increases while driving at night. My policy is to get my business done during daylight hours and stay home and off the roads at night and Friday afternoons.

What's the old saying? They only come at at night? Crazies running around howling at the moon!!

spdrun · #25 06-23-2014, 10:04 AM

Not to mention vampires and zombies. Mmmmmm. Braaaaaaaiiiiins.

Txjake · #26 06-23-2014, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Benzasaurus

This is the video of Daniel Saenz being killed while handcuffed. It's graphic and awful. He was handcuffed at the time.
El Paso police officer Jose Flores caught on camera shooting handcuffed prisoner Daniel Saenz | News.com.au

I do think there is a problem with police brutality. Is it Albuquerque where they've shot 37 people in the last couple of years?

public execution. they were scared of this guy

Jorn · #27 06-23-2014, 10:38 AM

Fear is a *****.

aklim · #28 06-23-2014, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

Looks like she's far more intelligent and useful to society than that Neanderthal twit of a cop. BTW - there might be a racial angle as well. She's Middle Eastern. There are a lot of ex-military people in San Diego, including on the police force. They were brainwashed not to have much love for people of Middle Eastern origin.

Lastly, she was charged with battery. While this may have met the letter of the law, with anyone other than a cop, unless there was actual physical injury, it would never have been prosecuted.

You wouldn't happen to be advocating different standards for her because she is intelligent and productive vs a homeless bum, would you?

I think in some states,, it is more severe if the perp assaulted a cop, firefighters, paramedics doing their job.

HuskyMan · #29 06-23-2014, 11:00 AM

Food for thought. Anyone who has had extreme physical pain and placed on serious pain meds, i.e. Prednisone, Morphine, Codene, Vicodin (there's one that will knock you on your a**) etc. knows that you may not be your real self at all times. Pain is a funny thing, combine it with serious pain meds and it tends to warp the consciousness and morph you into someone you didn't think you you would become.

Had the policy of "To Protect and to Serve" as soon as they heard she was due for hip surgery they should have asked her for her doctor's name and phone number and called the doc to check out her story. If it checked out, all they had to do was let her go with a warning, difuse a situation and watch everyone CALM THE HECK DOWN. But, no these fine examples of public service chose to escalate the incident and create further pain and trauma for her.

spdrun · #30 06-23-2014, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

You wouldn't happen to be advocating different standards for her because she is intelligent and productive vs a homeless bum, would you?

I think in some states,, it is more severe if the perp assaulted a cop, firefighters, paramedics doing their job.

She was at worst rude to him -- I don't think her actions rose to the level of criminal battery. And yes, I have a lot more respect for an intelligent productive scientist than for a bully-boy on the gov't dole. If you want to call me snobbish for that, that's fine by me.