She Was Pulled Over for Speeding...... - Page 4 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

aklim · #46 06-23-2014, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

She is apparently highly intelligent and a contributor to society. Which is why her actions with the cop may have been out of character for her.

I do think some cops enjoy getting physical, particularly with a single woman. It gets them off.

So that is a free pass to do as you please? If she was two or 3 times more productive than she is, do we give her a pass for more severe crimes?

Speculation and more speculation. Can we skip all of this and go to the "alien took over her body" routine?

aklim · #47 06-23-2014, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

I don't know -- plenty of highly intelligent people also have a hell of a temper. Read about Harlen Ellison for a notorious example. I have a friend who's a software geek. She calls people names pretty frequently when she's riled up, yet she'd bend over backwards to help the same people when she's done having a temper tantrum.

Still, I'd rather have police be trained (and ordered) to do everything to diffuse a situation involving someone with a bad temper rather than aggravating it.

Well, when you put it that way, why not? I have a bad temper too. Can I get a pass to do what I want? Sorry, learn to control your temper. Why does somebody have to take your abuse? Bad temper is not an excuse to abuse others.

aklim · #48 06-23-2014, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

Exactly. It's not that she was necessarily right in grabbing for the badge

(though if a cop refused to ID himself I might have done the same), but that the cops in question did everything to escalate vs de-escalating.

Not necessarily?

I doubt you have the stones.

aklim · #49 06-23-2014, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

Spdrun on his well worn 'I hate cops' routine. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that waiters are subject to much less angry interference with their job than are cops.

I've guessing that you've never been in a tight spot with a representative of the 'violent street scum predator contingent' with your only available assistance help being a uniformed police officer. I have a couple of times and was grateful for the help. Many other times I knew they were my potential backup.

I don't think is is cops. Anyone who says "No" to him is target.

But then it changes.

spdrun · #50 06-23-2014, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Well, when you put it that way, why not? I have a bad temper too. Can I get a pass to do what I want? Sorry, learn to control your temper. Why does somebody have to take your abuse? Bad temper is not an excuse to abuse others.

Don't want to take abuse, choose a different job. No one forced him to sign up for the job. Violence should be a last resort, not a first. Situation could have been diffused by him taking a step to the side. He's the professional, therefore his responsibility.

Would you think it acceptable if a WalMart greeter tackled or punched someone because they grabbed his name tag? If not, then why should that behavior be acceptable from a cop?

aklim · #51 06-23-2014, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

Reminds me of a case an associate was involved in.

He had received a traffic ticket and decided to hire a lawyer to take up his case in court. He carefully shopped around and found a lawyer who specializes in traffic ticket issues and has a history of WINS.

The defense lawyer then turned to shake hands with the police officer. The cop REFUSED to shake hands with the defense lawyer then turned and stamped out of the court room like a spoiled brat.

Question: are traffic tickets THAT big of a deal? Is winning a traffic ticket case THAT important to a cop's identity and ego? Seems in some cases, it is......

Another one of those "friends"? Not to say I don't believe you but I don't.

Brilliant. Until you mentioned it, I always assumed you picked a lawyer by the tie color. Thanks for the titbit.

I don't shake my opponent's hands in court or anyplace. As to what else happened, all we have is your word via your "friend".

Or maybe, just maybe, he felt that your buddy should have been ticketed because it was the right thing and not let off?

aklim · #52 06-23-2014, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

I will definitely agree that rough treatment was not called for. And yes, an officer should show their badge, give their card, etc.

Was he given the chance to show his badge? As I said, had he walked off, fair enough. Right now, we'll never know.

aklim · #53 06-23-2014, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

Don't want to take abuse, choose a different job. No one forced him to sign up for the job. Violence should be a last resort, not a first. Situation could have been diffused by him taking a step to the side. He's the professional, therefore his responsibility.

Would you think it acceptable if a WalMart greeter tackled or punched someone because they grabbed his name tag? If not, then why should that behavior be acceptable from a cop?

Which job would you suggest where there is no abuse?

Sure, you expect that the people are going to be abusive but it doesn't mean you have to take it. Customer Service gets irate people but they can ask you to leave the store if you are going too far. The simple point is, you do not have the right to abuse someone else. If you do, I have no sympathy for what happens next. Had she not grabbed him, I'd say he went too far. Once you make physical contact, you bought the problem.

My apple is better than your orange.

There is no comparison to either and you know that. She was arrested. The greeter cannot arrest you or do more than defend himself and call for assistance. What happened was as a result of her actions. Sorry you don't like being asked out and when you refused, get dragged out and cuffed but that is your temper getting you into trouble. Take anger management classes, take a pill or whatever.

HuskyMan · #54 06-23-2014, 03:26 PM

Let's say the cop refuses to offer a business card or give up his/her badge id number. But, he insists that she give up her driver's license and insurance registration. What if it is a cop impersonator/serial rapist then uses the home address and name information provided on her driver license to stalk her?

spdrun · #55 06-23-2014, 03:27 PM

Aklim: Just because the cop's actions were technically legal doesn't make them right or necessary. Again, if you don't have the temperament for a job that involves dealing with irritated members of the public face-to-face, pick a different job. It's not hard. This guy wasn't a conscript.

HuskyMan · #56 06-23-2014, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Which job would you suggest where there is no abuse?

Sure, you expect that the people are going to be abusive but it doesn't mean you have to take it. Customer Service gets irate people but they can ask you to leave the store if you are going too far. The simple point is, you do not have the right to abuse someone else. If you do, I have no sympathy for what happens next. Had she not grabbed him, I'd say he went too far. Once you make physical contact, you bought the problem.

My apple is better than your orange.

There is no comparison to either and you know that. She was arrested. The greeter cannot arrest you or do more than defend himself and call for assistance. What happened was as a result of her actions. Sorry you don't like being asked out and when you refused, get dragged out and cuffed but that is your temper getting you into trouble. Take anger management classes, take a pill or whatever.

Wal mart has a reputation for calling the police for almost any customer confrontation. Why hire in-store security at $45K annual salary when you can simply call the cops? Keeps Walmart pricing lowers for everyone.

HuskyMan · #57 06-23-2014, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

Aklim: Just because the cop's actions were technically legal doesn't make them right or necessary. Again, if you don't have the temperament for a job that involves dealing with irritated members of the public face-to-face, pick a different job. It's not hard. This guy wasn't a conscript.

Nice idea, I wish it worked that way in the real world. I believe cops choose to be cops because they enjoy bossing people around. Back in high school they were nobodies who didn't do well in sports or academics and were not too attractive physically. The jocks ignored them and the hot looking girls wouldn't give them the time of day. However, they found they performed well as school crossing safety guards. Fast forward to adulthood; give them a badge and a gun and now they are BAD TO THE BONE!!! At night they read books about how the Gestapo arrested people for the slightest suspicion of wrong doing. It gives them ideas........

spdrun · #58 06-23-2014, 03:38 PM

I don't think so. I think quite a few police do the job because they genuinely want to be useful, and that power hungry yobs are a minority. Maybe 10-20%. But woe betide the person who had a bad day and encounters one of them.

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

Nice idea, I wish it worked that way in the real world. I believe cops choose to be cops because they enjoy bossing people around. Back in high school they were nobodies who didn't do well in sports or academics and were not too attractive physically. The jocks ignored them and the hot looking girls wouldn't give them the time of day. However, they found they performed well as school crossing safety guards. Fast forward to adulthood; give them a badge and a gun and now they are BAD TO THE BONE!!! At night they read books about how the Gestapo arrested people for the slightest suspicion of wrong doing. It gives them ideas........

HuskyMan · #59 06-23-2014, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Another one of those "friends"? Not to say I don't believe you but I don't.

Brilliant. Until you mentioned it, I always assumed you picked a lawyer by the tie color. Thanks for the titbit.

I don't shake my opponent's hands in court or anyplace. As to what else happened, all we have is your word via your "friend".

Or maybe, just maybe, he felt that your buddy should have been ticketed because it was the right thing and not let off?

Know way would I expect you to believe anything I write. That's fine with me, I could really GAS......

aklim · #60 06-23-2014, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

Let's say the cop refuses to offer a business card or give up his/her badge id number. But, he insists that she give up her driver's license and insurance registration. What if it is a cop impersonator/serial rapist then uses the home address and name information provided on her driver license to stalk her?

Let's say it was 3 terminators from the future that change shape.