Exactly. It's not that she was necessarily right in grabbing for the badge (though if a cop refused to ID himself I might have done the same), but that the cops in question did everything to escalate vs de-escalating.

Why not call it even? The officers drop charges and agree to a transfer to a desk job (not as if either of them had injury other than to ego). She agrees not to sue the department in the future.

Reminds me of a case an associate was involved in. He had received a traffic ticket and decided to hire a lawyer to take up his case in court. He carefully shopped around and found a lawyer who specializes in traffic ticket issues and has a history of WINS. Court date comes up, he and his lawyer attend court for the proceedings. The ticketing police officer also appears. The district attorney presented his case by calling the police officer to testify. The defense lawyer then presented his client's case. After the smoke cleared, the judge ruled in favor of the defendant. The defense lawyer then turned to shake hands with the police officer. The cop REFUSED to shake hands with the defense lawyer then turned and stamped out of the court room like a spoiled brat.

Question: are traffic tickets THAT big of a deal? Is winning a traffic ticket case THAT important to a cop's identity and ego? Seems in some cases, it is......

Another one of those "friends"? Not to say I don't believe you but I don't.

Brilliant. Until you mentioned it, I always assumed you picked a lawyer by the tie color. Thanks for the titbit.

I don't shake my opponent's hands in court or anyplace. As to what else happened, all we have is your word via your "friend".

Or maybe, just maybe, he felt that your buddy should have been ticketed because it was the right thing and not let off?

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Know way would I expect you to believe anything I write. That's fine with me, I could really GAS......

Not necessarily?

I doubt you have the stones.

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I will definitely agree that rough treatment was not called for. And yes, an officer should show their badge, give their card, etc.

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Was he given the chance to show his badge? As I said, had he walked off, fair enough. Right now, we'll never know.

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I'm just gonna pretend I clicked the links and verified my worst fears, 'k? Are we cool with that?

EDIT: Clicked anyway. Who the hell are women supposed to trust in law enforcement?!

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Depends on how stupid and naive you are. Trust is earned, not given. If you got to see the disco lights come on for you, call 911 immediately. Ask them about the car following you. Even as a guy, I would since I have no idea if you are really who you say you are or you are going to rob me. So if you want to know who to trust, find the person who has as much to lose or more if you go south.

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Maybe it would work. Hard to say. People are not big on the red-light cameras around here, I think they're being phased out. Bleeping strobe light - very bright - weird stuff. Plus I think people and city hall like the idea of calming people down in the act. With cameras, some thrill seeker could go nuts all night.

I gather impromptu racing on the freeway will often get you a night in jail. Probably the way it should be. I see people around here weaving through traffic, relatively heavy traffic, while racing some other fool. Probably one of them passed the other, the passee thought 'no way,' passed them back with a vengeance and off they go. Amazing some of the lane changes they can pull off without a wreck. I just haven't seen one yet. But I don't like it when a dick of that sort gets 2 feet from my bumper before darting over to the other lane, 2 feet in front of the guy moving up on me.

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Actually, if you automate speed enforcement, it would allow the remaining traffic cops to concentrate more on people who are driving like aggressive morons (as opposed to just speeding), weaving all over the road whilst texting, drunks, etc. Their eyes would actually be on traffic vs on the LED panel of their radar gun.

The trick to having automated enforcement be accepted is to have the limits be reasonable in the first place, set by traffic studies and engineers vs bureaucrats. If you do as DC does and set a 40 mph limit on a freeway with cameras at random, people will want to beat you for it. Justifiably. With red light cameras, courts shouldn't tolerate games like lowering the length of the yellow light below minimum specs in order to catch more red-light runners. That's both unsafe and irritating.

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She was lucky that the cops did not take out their batons and play them on her head like a marimba,

Then charge HER with "resisting".

Once she grabbed the cop by the vest, it was C U R T A I N S .

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Well that is a good point. How often do most all of us see some jerk in traffic and wish a cop could see that instead of pulling me over for doing 72 in a 60.

Jeez, that Peyer guy. Creepy mofo. Even looks like a loser dick. One can be grateful that he might die in prison. They said next up for parole in 2027 - will be around 77 then.

Power corrupts, unfortunately. Difficult to keep the wrong kind of people away from that sort of power. I knew a quite attractive lady in Seattle way back when - early 70s - who was going out with a cop she'd met when he pulled her over. Have no idea what his level of integrity was in that vein. We worked at a restaurant together. She about 5 years older than me and out of my league. She complained about him - called him officer a$sh0le but she still went out with him.

I've known a couple of cops pretty well. They didn't talk a lot about their work but both of them opened up some when I told them of some of the shyte I'd seen as a cabbie, telling them that I get that the one or two thug-jerks I may or may not see on a shift are a steady diet for them most nights.

One guy talked to me quite a bit, saying hardly anyone gets what they're up against. Only other cops really get it. People looking to F with them, people going ballistic when they get pulled over, punks wanting to shoot them when they arrest one of the punk's buddies.

The MSNBC series Lockup looked at a max. security part of a woman's prison. One woman had a history of attacking and killing cops. They interviewed her. The lady was full on psycho against cops. She was a big woman and in one case with an accomplice had overpowered a cop using pepper spray. She'd planned it. She tortured and killed the guy. You see that a lot among inner-city denizens for whom some sort of crime or scamming is their living: cops are the enemy. Cops are who is going to make life tough for them. They hate cops.

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