That's what it looks like to me too. Happens right after the 1:00 mark in the video from BAVVMW.

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Looked to me like he jumped back away from Stewart's car at the last second. My guess it's because he realized that Stewart had turned toward him. There is no way he could have actually grabbed the wing at that speed.

Turning left is the default posture of these cars. Let go of everything and they turn left. The front left wheel has a disc brake, none on the right. The rear axle is live, the single or sometimes double brake will act on each tire identically. A tap of the brake and it goes left. Going right requires input. Look at the posture of Stewart's car before and after hitting Ward. The drag of a body would not make it go that far right IMHO.

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fwiw I looked at the “slowed down and cropped in” link noted above on my color corrected 24” monitor and you can clearly see that at 1:01 Ward walking toward the car and at 1:03 he positioned himself with his right hand up and moving forward. At 1:04 the hand was reaching toward the vehicle. At about 1:05 you can see the wing tilt to the right and then the vehicle deflected. I can’t see Ward clearly at this point but speculate that Ward grabbed the wing with both hands and shifted his weight onto the vehicle. At 1:07-1:08 you can see Ward was hanging onto the wing with both hands. He was carried about 30’ or so, past his damaged vehicle. At 1:08 you can see he had both hands on the wing and was falling.

I dunno what Ward thought he was doing. Mebby he was going to catch a ride, force the driver to stop and then beat the crap outta the driver. The results were probably not what he planned.

OTOH, i do agree that Stewart's earlier comments could be construed as a pattern of hostility and imply intent.

In this event i see Ward as executing himself through stupid ideas and actions. It's been some time. Has there been any formal charges?

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This is directed to CMAC. I see Link beat me to posting.

Watch it again. He is clearly depicted hanging on the wing, then falling off with one arm up in the air. When Tony's car was veering right it looked like Ward's foot may have been under Tony's right rear tire dragging and causing the car to veer right, then he lost his grip and the tire sucked him under.

I just watched it four more times. He was clearly hanging on the wing. I don't see any other way to interpret the film.

He was his own worst enemy in this. Could Tony have done something differently? ...sure, but who is prepared for a deranged competitor hanging on your wing?

I am pretty sure this has never happened before.

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How are you able to deduce that Ward had a grip on anything?

At the time when Ward was hit by Stewart's car, he had his back to the car and had decided to scramble out of the way, and was running for his life.

From that time on, Ward had no time or control over how his body was tossed around like a ragdoll.

No way that Ward was "hanging on wing," by or under his own control. You might want to watch it again from the first point/time of impact.

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We need forensic screen caps

I'll turn it back on you; how are you able to deduce that?

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2 Samuel 12:13: "David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die."

Notify the press: SRJ and I are in agreement! Not sure his back was to the car, his side maybe, looked like he was backpedaling hard. Like he suddenly realized that Stewart was coming at him.

No way he's going to grab that wing at that speed, which I'm guessing was at least 30 to 35 mph.

Watched the crucial moments again. it is so obvious that both when Stewart nerfed Ward's car, and then ran over his less well protected body, he cut the steering wheel sharply to the right each time. You can see the left front tire jerk hard to the right and then back again. The right rear tire is the perfect battering ram for taking out another car. Huge amount of rubber on a 15 inch rim. One piece axle, the front wheel of another car doesn't stand a chance. I'm sorry, this will come out. It's not hard to spot. Just put the cursor on the spot just before each event and keep replaying it.

The body would maybe cause the car to go to the right a bit but not make the front wheel do that. These cars have power steering. And all the talk of using the motor to steer the car are so much crap. Going left is the default position on those things. The right rear tire is bigger than the left. The left front wheel has a disc brake, the right front does not. Foot off the gas, little bit of brake, little bit of steering, you'd go left. Even with no steering input you go left.

Another driver, Paul Kinney, speaks up:

Driver on Tony Stewart Crash That Killed Kevin Ward: 'It Didn't Seem Real' - NBC News

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Thanks, but Twalgamuth was on the block here. He's not come back to answer my post.

I already know that what some here seem to think happened, didn't happen. I already laid out the facts of what happened. Perhaps some here haven't studied the vids? It sure sounds like it.

So, go ahead and show me something in a real-time video to support your position(s) if you can find something???

Anyone???

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The part where the wing deflected to the right before the car did was the telling detail, and then about 2 seconds later the camera shows him hanging on to the wing is further evidence that he was fatally moronic.

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Suggestive, LOL.

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I read in the morning paper that Tony is sitting out another nascar race due to grief (do I accept that? I have my questions about it. I suspect Lawyers have advised him on how to conduct himself in this period of assessment by the law enforcement community). I really thought he would run last week. Of course this death is the first of this nature in racing ever that I know of.

Just very bizzare and unfortunate.

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Grief? More like he's got a cloud hanging over him. The kid was going to stand and gesture at him as he went by. When he saw that Stewart was coming at him, not by him like a sane person would do, he tried to jump back. There is no way he could have grabbed the wing at that speed. He was was being flipped ass over tea kettle. Stewart gunned the bleeping engine and cut the steering wheel hard. You actually can't see that in the tape? Look at the front wheels as he goes by Ward. TS is supposedly one of the best there is at making a sprint car go where he wants it to. The difference in the behavior of Stewart's car and car #45 just before him is striking.

But I will agree. It was bizarre and unfortunate.

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WTF?

Not sure where you've hid your brain in this episode but there was no 2 second span between the time Ward disappeared from view and when he was spit out. At 35 mph, a car travels 100 feet in 2 seconds.

I suspect the wing was the first thing to hit him.

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Well, the autopsy should provide information that would clear up how and what injuries were suffered by Ward, which in turn should provide more evidence of what actually happened.

If he was caught and dragged under the car as CMAC seems to believe there should be abrasions on him and or his suit.

If he jumped on Tony's car and hung there a second or so there should be evidence of that...namely abrasions on his helmet and upper body but not overall.

I know this. If I had been Tony I would have had my car going as slow as possible in the lowest point in the groove to avoid Ward. If I had been Ward I'd have stayed in my car. Neither of them used the best sound judgment in the encounter.

Ward clearly moved down the track as Tony's car approached in order to either make a big gesture at Tony or perhaps to punch him.

One paid the ultimate price and the other will no doubt pay a big price as well.

Since Tony did not do everything possible to avoid Ward he will no doubt pay big money in a settlement as having x% of responsibility in the matter.

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