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Old 08-26-2014, 03:52 PM
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Pushing rude and inconsiderate to an extreme...

I really can't believe some people. Use a prohibited device to keep another airline passenger from being able to recline their seat, then press the point until the flight ends up diverted.

I'd be in favor of legislation that would require such *****************s (fill in your favorite pejorative term(s)) to have to reimburse the airline for the cost of fuel and landing fees related to the diversion.

Either that or just chuck them out at 37,000 feet.

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The fight started on a United Airlines flight because one passenger was using the Knee Defender, a $21.95 gadget that attaches to a passenger's tray table and prevents the person in front of them from reclining. United Airlines said it prohibits use of the device, like all major U.S. airlines.
Article: United Jet Diverted as Fliers Fight Over Knee Defender Device - NBC News
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Old 08-26-2014, 03:57 PM
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The seats should be in a fixed position. I get smooshed by some idiot every time I fly.
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Old 08-26-2014, 04:15 PM
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They should have diverted to some podunk airport with a long runway (ex SAC base, anyone?) and left them there. Good luck renting a car or getting on another flight.
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Old 08-26-2014, 05:33 PM
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And people wonder why I prefer to drive whenever possible.
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Old 08-26-2014, 06:32 PM
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Airline Etiquette / Seat management
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Old 08-26-2014, 06:40 PM
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And people wonder why I prefer to drive whenever possible.
How far back do you recline the seat when you drive?
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Old 08-27-2014, 03:47 AM
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And people wonder why I prefer to drive whenever possible.
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Old 08-27-2014, 03:50 AM
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And people wonder why I prefer to drive whenever possible.

X2
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Everyone flying should use those simple and effective devices to keep the rude person in front of them out of their lap.
If enough people defy them, the airlines will change policy.
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Old 08-27-2014, 03:55 AM
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The seats should be in a fixed position. I get smooshed by some idiot every time I fly.
YES !!! ...and if the airlines won't lock seats, carry a set of blockers
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Old 08-27-2014, 05:58 AM
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I'm somewhat tall, and I can tolerate the seat in the upright position.

So, when a pax drops the seat in front of me, (and this action depends on the level of interference with my body), I just start to slouch a bit, and let my knees constantly bump and fidget into the back of the seat. Remember how annoying it is to have a kid in back of you kicking the seatback......

If I have to vacate the seat, I make sure to use the top of the seat in front of me to leverage my out.

Ooops, sorry....

Sometimes they ge the hint, sometimes not. but I do get some satisfaction knowing that they are getting bumped around.

Fault really lies with the carrier, if you are going to jam people in, don't let the seats recline.
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Old 08-27-2014, 06:44 AM
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Flying is a cattle call and it sucks, granted. Moo. But reclining the seats is rude and inconsiderate? I don't fly commercial anymore unless it unavoidable. Then I usually sleep on the plane.

Have things changed that much since the early 90's? Last time I was on that airport/rental car/hotel hamster wheel.

I wonder. How big are you people and can you really not function with seats reclined in front of you? Is it a body mass issue?

It is kinda sad to hear. I grew up on airplanes back in the early sixties and got to see the Golden Age. Flying was a luxury.
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Old 08-27-2014, 07:19 AM
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How far back do you recline the seat when you drive?
Bolt upright. I'm hella short and this position works best for me.

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Flying is a cattle call and it sucks, granted. Moo. But reclining the seats is rude and inconsiderate? I don't fly commercial anymore unless it unavoidable. Then I usually sleep on the plane.

Have things changed that much since the early 90's? Last time I was on that airport/rental car/hotel hamster wheel.
I first flew commercial in 1993 when I was 15. Security has gotten more annoying, and the meals have pretty much gone away. Aside from that I don't think much has changed.

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I wonder. How big are you people and can you really not function with seats reclined in front of you? Is it a body mass issue?
5'2" and 160 lbs. I find it a minor annoyance if the person in front of me fully reclines their seat. Being seated next to a screaming kid is much much worse. That time I had to fly from Kuwait International to Hartsfield sandwiched in between two 6'+ 200+ lb dudes wasn't exactly great either.

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It is kinda sad to hear. I grew up on airplanes back in the early sixties and got to see the Golden Age. Flying was a luxury.
I missed that by a couple decades and kind of wonder what it was like. I also missed trans-oceanic crossings by ship being a common thing. While it certainly took longer, I think that was probably a more comfortable way to travel, unless you were poor and stuck in steerage.
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Old 08-27-2014, 07:38 AM
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You guys are clearly traveling in better class seats than I am. The few degree difference between upright and death upon landing is negligible in cattle class.

I'm 6'3" and 3 bills so uncomfortable flying is just a given for me, reclined seat in front of me or not. While leg room is at a premium, and I do go for the exit rows whenever available, it's shoulder room that I have the biggest issue with. I put my headphones on, close my eyes and just hope I'm not next to a talker or another dude (or lady) my size.

If they're counting on common courtesy to take the stress out of flying, I guess we can plan on a continued level of stress.
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Old 08-27-2014, 08:24 AM
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I'm somewhat tall, and I can tolerate the seat in the upright position.

So, when a pax drops the seat in front of me, (and this action depends on the level of interference with my body), I just start to slouch a bit, and let my knees constantly bump and fidget into the back of the seat. Remember how annoying it is to have a kid in back of you kicking the seatback......

If I have to vacate the seat, I make sure to use the top of the seat in front of me to leverage my out.

Ooops, sorry....

Sometimes they ge the hint, sometimes not. but I do get some satisfaction knowing that they are getting bumped around.

Fault really lies with the carrier, if you are going to jam people in, don't let the seats recline.
That's me, too, Jim. It works slowly but often effectively.
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Old 08-27-2014, 08:46 AM
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btw, airlines have been shrinking hte seating for some time:


A skirmish for space on planes makes for even tighter squeeze, smaller seats - Business - The Boston Globe
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