It has nothing to do with propaganda. It has everyting to do with watching over a third of my "middle class" income get vaporized in the form of taxation. Income that if I could keep, I could invest and be able to more than fund my own medical and retirement expenses.

-DING!-
round 10

or 20
or whatever it is.

I'll requote myself here, and step out

"no one was being convinced either way...... Silence is not a sign of defeat....... Some people just know when it's a waste of time and effort. "

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'68 220D
'68 220D(another one)
'67 230
'84 SD
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'06 Lexus RX330
'93 Ford F-250
'96 Corvette
'99 Polaris 700 RMK sled
2011 Polaris Assault
'86 Yamaha TT350(good 'ol thumper)

You think I'm happy about that? We are both mad about the same thing, but the reasons for it has changed. I see a surplus gone down the tubes due to Republican give aways and a studid war. We were actual on the path to fiscal sanity in this country, and we blew it.

Lead, follow, or get out of the way, man

Bush is satan, all his followers will rot in hell... My votes changed, now can someone turn off the broken record?

Returning what amounted to 1.5% of the tax surplus hardly caused a deficit. The congress spending free for all, along with the numerous corportate accounting fiasco's coming to light, 9/11, the "patriot" act, and then the war all played their parts.

The spending spree that congress went into immediately after the tax cuts were put into effect, obliterated fully half of it. Had BOTH parties exibited fiscal responsibility, the deficits would not be nearly as severe. Had klinkton grabbed osama bin laden when he had the opportunity, the World Trade Center would very likely still be intact, and the groundwork for the "patriot" act, and the Iraq war would not have been laid.

No matter how hard you try to paint this as a republican issue, BOTH parties share FULLY in the responsibility for the last few years events - ESPECIALLY slick willie who was too busy using the white house as a brothel to be bothered with such important issues as osama bin laden, SEC concerns about questionable corporate behaviour, price fixing during the Kalifornia energy crisis, etc...........

NO!!! It's MY turn to feed the troll!!!

Well.... OK. What yall should do is like a debate, limit the amount of posts each person can have. Be more interesting especially since all these ever turn into is a dick measuring contest anyway.

I win I win!!!!

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2001 CLK430 Cabriolet (80K) - Wife's car
2005 BMW 645CI (138K) - My daily driver
2016 Mustang (32K) - Daughter's car

Originally Posted by Diesel Power
Sorry, but the articles posted regarding kerry's "service" in Vietnam, are hardly along the lines of experiencing the horror death in combat.


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Originally posted by KirkVining
You've been exposed to too much right wing propaganda. Also, you got a Silver Star hanging around your neck?
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Diesel Power,
Actually I think the Silver Star comment was in response to your suggestion that Kerry never faced the enemy in armed combat while in Viet Nam. I was hoping to hear what actually happened as when the stories about him discarding his "medals" were in the news, it seemed all accounts painted a pretty vivid picture of a guy actually going the extra mile to look out for and bring back all of his company. And he went back for more, or so the stories go. What is the real story? Jim

Excuse the edit, still learning the rules for using the "quote" button

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1986 Euro 190E 2.3-16 (291,000 miles),
1998 E300D TurboDiesel, 231,000 miles -purchased with 45,000,
1988 300E 5-speed 252,000 miles,
1983 240D 4-speed, purchased w/136,000, now with 222,000 miles.
2009 ML320CDI Bluetec, 89,000 miles

Owned:
1971 220D (250,000 miles plus, sold to father-in-law),
1975 240D (245,000 miles - died of body rot),
1991 350SD (176,560 miles, weakest Benz I have owned),
1999 C230 Sport (45,400 miles),
1982 240D (321,000 miles, put to sleep)

Because that would upset the economy tremendously. Too many people's paycheck depends on Government programs. Examples are Northrop Grumann, General Dynamics, CSC, Hughes Aircraft, Booz Allen, and untold numbers of "Beltway Bandits" who sub out work to untold numbers of contractors throughout the country.

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Awarded Silver Star and Bronze Star with V for Victory, over the course of these events. I beleive the Silver Star, the highest Naval decoration the Navy awards, was for the incident he saved the crewman's life in. I think that crewman may introduce him at the DNC convention when he accepts the nomination


February 28, 1969 – For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity in action while serving with Coastal Division ELEVEN engaged in armed conflict with Viet Cong insurgents in An Xuyen Province, Republic of Vietnam, on 28 February 1969. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry was serving as Officer in Charge of Patrol Craft Fast 94 and Officer in Tactical Command of a three-boat mission. As the force approached the target area on the narrow Dong Cung River, all units came under intense automatic weapons and small arms fire from an entrenched enemy force less than fifty-feet away. Unhesitatingly, Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry ordered his boat to attack as all units opened fire and beached directly in front of the enemy ambushers. The daring and courageous tactic surprised the enemy and succeeded in routing a score of enemy soldiers. The PCF gunners captured many enemy weapons in the battle that followed. On a request from U.S. Army advisors ashore, Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry ordered PCFs 94 and 23 further up river to suppress enemy sniper fire. After proceeding approximately eight hundred yards, the boats again were taken under fire from a heavily foliated area and B-40 rocket exploded close aboard PCF-94; with utter disregard for his own safety and the enemy rockets, he again ordered a charge on the enemy, beached his boat only ten feet from the VC rocket position, and personally led a landing party ashore in pursuit of the enemy. Upon sweeping the area an immediate search uncovered an enemy rest and supply area which was destroyed. The extraordinary daring and personal courage of Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry in attacking a numerically superior force in the face of intense fire were responsible for the highly successful mission. His actions were in keeping with the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service.

March 13, 1969 – For heroic achievement while serving with Coastal Division ELEVEN engaged in armed conflict with Viet Cong communist aggressors in An Xuyen Province, Republic of Vietnam, on 13 March 1969. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry was serving as Officer in Charge of Patrol Craft Fast 94, one of five boats conducting a SEA Lords operation in the Bay Hap River. While exiting the river, a mine detonated under another Inshore Patrol Craft and almost simultaneously, another mine detonated wounding Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry in the right arm. In addition, all units began receiving small arms and automatic weapons fire from the river banks. When Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry discovered he had a man overboard, he returned upriver to assist. The man in the water was receiving sniper fire from both banks. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry directed his gunners to provide suppressing fire, while from an exposed position on the bow, his arm bleeding and in pain and with disregard for his safety, he pulled the man aboard. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry then directed his boat to return and assist the other damaged boat to safety. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry’s calmness, professionalism and great personal courage under fire were in keeping with the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry is authorized to wear the Combat “V”.

Well, if Kirk's post is correct, and that is pretty much how I recall the news reports, Diesel Power, what did you mean when you posted this:


Originally Posted by Diesel Power
Sorry, but the articles posted regarding kerry's "service" in Vietnam, are hardly along the lines of experiencing the horror death in combat.


Jim

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Own:
1986 Euro 190E 2.3-16 (291,000 miles),
1998 E300D TurboDiesel, 231,000 miles -purchased with 45,000,
1988 300E 5-speed 252,000 miles,
1983 240D 4-speed, purchased w/136,000, now with 222,000 miles.
2009 ML320CDI Bluetec, 89,000 miles

Owned:
1971 220D (250,000 miles plus, sold to father-in-law),
1975 240D (245,000 miles - died of body rot),
1991 350SD (176,560 miles, weakest Benz I have owned),
1999 C230 Sport (45,400 miles),
1982 240D (321,000 miles, put to sleep)

If you want to call winning nobody wanting to talk to you, I guess your right.


I bet it reminds you of socializing with the empty seat next to you.

They seem to be shuffling back in.