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Old 05-08-2012, 01:30 PM
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I love the part that you quoted:
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In Texas, evidence of voter fraud abounds. In recent years, my office has secured more than 50 voter fraud convictions. Those include a woman who voted in place of her dead mother, a political operative who cast ballots for two people, and a city councilmember who registered foreign nationals to vote in an election decided by 19 votes. Voter fraud is hard to detect, so cases like these are just the tip of the iceberg. [emphasis added]
Tip of the iceberg, my butt. He claims 50 convictions, but only cites 3 cases where more stringent identification requirements would have made any difference. This is typical of voter fraud arguments. They raise the specter of people voting multiple times and voting for dead people, but then the overwhelming majority of the cases they cite have nothing to do with voter impersonation fraud. He says that voter fraud is hard to detect. Really? I would think that multiple votes by the same voter or votes by dead people would show up every time. Maybe now and then an imposter will get lucky and pick someone who is alive, registered to vote, and not likely to show up at the polls, but I find it hard to believe that people would concoct schemes based on such shaky assumptions. Abbott is full of baloney.

I still haven't read the article in the OP. Maybe it will cite evidence we haven't already seen.

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Old 05-08-2012, 01:42 PM
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I agree that it does not seem onerous, but apparently it is onerous for a number of people otherwise qualified to vote. I don't know why it is that way, but it is. I would not want to take away their right to vote unless there is some reason to do so, something more than an imaginary fear that people will show up with fake ID's and cast felonious votes. Come back to us with evidence that voter fraud happens, then maybe we can talk about depriving people of their right to vote.
I have no such evidence, other than anecdotal. However, I do not suppose that it does not exist. Nor do I understand why obtaining and using ID would be so difficult or fear inducing for a legal citizen, who on every other day before and after election day, circulates in society as a free citizen.
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Old 05-08-2012, 01:54 PM
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Sorry you feel that way. You are obviously way too good for us. You are free to find a better country.
Oh I want to stay here; I just want to push the availability of voting privileges back to about the year 1800. Absent that, I just want to become a Republican...
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Old 05-08-2012, 02:02 PM
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If you are homeless you don't have an address. To get a PO box you need ID which they don't have because they are trying to get that so they can vote. It also cost money to get a copy of your BC which they may not have. These are just a few of the things I can think of that might make it difficult for a person to get a valid for of ID to vote.
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...Nor do I understand why obtaining and using ID would be so difficult or fear inducing for a legal citizen...
Does it really matter whether you or I understand it? Isn't it enough that studies show that it happens?
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Old 05-08-2012, 02:39 PM
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Oh I want to stay here; I just want to push the availability of voting privileges back to about the year 1800. Absent that, I just want to become a Republican...
You sound more like you fit the profile of a democrat voter. Margaret Sanger would have agreed perfectly with your expressed sentiments.
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You sound more like you fit the profile of a democrat voter. Margaret Sanger would have agreed perfectly with your expressed sentiments.
Thank God that today she probably would have had some difficulty becoming qualified to vote for political candidates supporting those sentiments...
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Old 05-08-2012, 03:37 PM
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Odd. Not one person here has commented on the Woodlands case.

I guess if you just ignore it then it goes away.
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If you are homeless you don't have an address. To get a PO box you need ID which they don't have because they are trying to get that so they can vote. It also cost money to get a copy of your BC which they may not have. These are just a few of the things I can think of that might make it difficult for a person to get a valid for of ID to vote.
You can't register for either party without a home address.
I'd say thats voluntary removal from the system?

BOTOH they find cash for booze and dope so I don't think voting is a big issue.
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Old 05-08-2012, 03:56 PM
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And an even minor reading of Abbot's claims show he has inflated his figures by about 100%.

So far Abbot has 26 real convictions. Not bad for a six year period during which 24,000,000 votes were cast.

That means that .00000108333 of one percent were found guilty of voter fraud.

But in the Montgomery County, Texas, RUD election there were only 12 votes cast, and 7 of them are now thought to be the result of Voter Fraud. Based on this number the percentage of fake votes in this election is 58%, so yes, it appears there is a problem with voter fraud in some parts of Texas.

By the way, the trial of the 'RUD 7' begins on September 17th.
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And an even minor reading of Abbot's claims show he has inflated his figures by about 100%.

So far Abbot has 26 real convictions. Not bad for a six year period during which 24,000,000 votes were cast.

That means that .00000108333 of one percent were found guilty of voter fraud.

But in the Montgomery County, Texas, RUD election there were only 12 votes cast, and 7 of them are now thought to be the result of Voter Fraud. Based on this number the percentage of fake votes in this election is 58%, so yes, it appears there is a problem with voter fraud in some parts of Texas.

By the way, the trial of the 'RUD 7' begins on September 17th.
Regardless, its more than one case.

I read somewhere Obama was all for voter ID. I guess his internal polling has made him change his mind.
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Old 05-08-2012, 04:25 PM
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...I read somewhere Obama was all for voter ID...
No dice on that one, unless you can provide a link.
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No dice on that one, unless you can provide a link.
Ah.....meant to say he couldn't win with it, sorry.
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Old 05-08-2012, 06:29 PM
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It is a real issue, with arguments on both sides.

Count me as one who sees no reason for electronic methods to cast votes. The Constitution allows PLENTY of time to count the ballots. Its only our lack of patience that compels this desire for immediate results. I see too much opportunity for mischief with electronic voting machines, but a real "paper trail" is needed to have any assurance in the votes. Electronic machines can be hacked, and if they only recount what is in their memory, there is no way to independently audit the votes.

Texas must be one messed up state.
I agree entirely. The ATM style voting machine can be (and quite possibly has been) the vehicle for large scale voter fraud and anyone professing concern about voter fraud should be squarely opposed to them.

Who makes those things anyway.....and what PACs do they support...
Diebold, Electronic Voting and the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy

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Old 05-08-2012, 06:47 PM
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If you are homeless you don't have an address. To get a PO box you need ID which they don't have because they are trying to get that so they can vote. It also cost money to get a copy of your BC which they may not have. These are just a few of the things I can think of that might make it difficult for a person to get a valid for of ID to vote.
How do they buy cigarettes and wine without an ID?

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