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Old 01-14-2007, 05:40 PM
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96 SL600 Engine removal advice

I am starting to remove the engine and trans from my 96 SL600. I would like to remove the entire engine and trans as an assembly with all accesories AC, PS, Alt, Starter and exhaust manifolds attched.

Also does this transmission have a torque converter drain?

Any suggestions, can this be done.

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Old 01-14-2007, 05:46 PM
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I just replaced one a few weeks ago. It is so much easier to take the 30 minutes and drop the transmission out. Pull the radiator and intake-you will have to do that to get the wiring disconnected. Remove it with the exhaust manifolds. It isn't that bad of a job, just watch what you are doing.
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Old 01-15-2007, 12:13 AM
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I got everything underneath disconnected. I may also pull the center link as it looks like a point of interfearance. Since I dont have a transmission jack I'm going to attempt to take it out in one.

I dont understand why the intake manifilds have to come off. I removed all the engine covers and there seams to be only the wires going to the front that may cause trouble. It looks like all of the connectors will slip under the manifold with the exception of possibly the two water temp sensor connectors. If these give me trouble I may just remove the connector shells.

Your thoughts?

John Roncallo
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Old 01-15-2007, 09:14 AM
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Check this out
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Old 01-15-2007, 02:03 PM
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Not too bad...I guess you don't have to remove the intake. I still think it's easier to drop the trans out first, but if you don't have a lift or trans jack, maybe it's easier to do it as a group.
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Old 01-15-2007, 05:57 PM
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Not too bad...I guess you don't have to remove the intake. I still think it's easier to drop the trans out first, but if you don't have a lift or trans jack, maybe it's easier to do it as a group.
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I think that's the key - you need your "Kumpels". Maybe you can get Frank, Peter and Ulli over here if you offer them a few beers
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Old 01-15-2007, 05:57 PM
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Very nice too bad I cant understand the forien langauge but pictures do paint a 1000 words.

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I'm kind of interested to know why you are removing the engine?

Are you undertaking an engine rebuild?
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Old 01-15-2007, 07:30 PM
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no, he wants to put it in the back of a Fiero so he can keep up with mine. lol
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Old 01-16-2007, 06:04 PM
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I'm kind of interested to know why you are removing the engine?

Are you undertaking an engine rebuild?
You need to visit my gallery for the answer

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/vbpicgallery.php?do=view&g=414

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Old 01-16-2007, 06:23 PM
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You need to visit my gallery for the answer

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/vbpicgallery.php?do=view&g=414

John Roncallo
Okay, so you are restoring your red '86 560 SL, and if you can get the M120 V12 running properly, then you are thinking of installing it into this SL.

I see that you've replaced the tan interior and replaced it with a black one. That must've been terribly expensive.
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Old 01-16-2007, 07:47 PM
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Okay, so you are restoring your red '86 560 SL, and if you can get the M120 V12 running properly, then you are thinking of installing it into this SL.

I see that you've replaced the tan interior and replaced it with a black one. That must've been terribly expensive.
The M120 already runs very nice. I'd post a sound vidio of it but the file is just too big. I have three sound vidios, Rear muffler removed, rear and center mufflers removed and open headers. It sounds real cool.

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Old 01-16-2007, 08:18 PM
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The M120 already runs very nice. I'd post a sound vidio of it but the file is just too big. I have three sound vidios, Rear muffler removed, rear and center mufflers removed and open headers. It sounds real cool.

John Roncallo

Will it fit in the SL engine bay?

Is the M120 basically two M104 engines joined together? If so, it would have an iron block and two aluminum heads. I guess it'd be heavier than your M117 engine.
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Old 01-16-2007, 10:27 PM
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Will it fit in the SL engine bay?

Is the M120 basically two M104 engines joined together? If so, it would have an iron block and two aluminum heads. I guess it'd be heavier than your M117 engine.
The 120 is actually about the same length as the 117 tip of fan to transmission surface. The major challanges will be the exhaust routing, interfearance with the master cylinder, and the lower portion of the engine will not fit with the accesories and oil filter installed. The subframe will most likely be completly redesigned.

The M120 is an all alloy V-12 which I am hoping weighs about the same as an iron block 117 which the 107 originally came with. The engine and trans will be weighed upon removal, springs will be adjusted as required.

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