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Old 06-19-2001, 09:34 PM
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Some questions after searching the archives on
w124 instrument cluster removal:

1) How many clips are there holding the fascia in place.
Are there 2? One at the top left and one at the top
right?

2) Does the speedometer cable need to be disconnected
from the transmission?

3) I ordered the tool kit from Baum Tools for the
cluster removal. As such, do I still need to get my
hand behind the cluster to push it out?

Any other tips about removal appreciated. I'm chasing
down a rattle noise. Might as well replace the bulbs
while I'm in there.

Thanks guys,

Jeff
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Old 06-19-2001, 10:37 PM
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Comes out from inside the car. Two hooks do the job. Disconnect speedo cable from tranny to give you enough slack to get it out far enough the disconnect cable from speedo head. You do not have to get behind it to releas it from the dash, other than removing the speedo cable..
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Old 06-20-2001, 01:11 AM
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Use Your Widdle Fingers

Brother of The Benz, atombaum
Removing the instrument cluster is a piece of cake.
There are no clips holding the cluster inplace, just good fit.
The removal tool is just two lengths of 0.045 inch wire with a small hook at the end.
These are inserted at the top, turned 90 degrees and pull.
I've always used my fingers appling pressure at the top and pulling.
The speedometer cable does not need to be disconnected from the transmission.
You will have to pull some slack to get the cluster out far enough to reach the speedometer cable at the speedometer.
There is an amphenol plug and the econometer hose to be unplugged.
Ease the cluster out and past the steering wheel and that's it.
As for the bulbs, there is a red capped bulb at the lower row of the cluster.
This ain't no bulb but a fuse.
I modified my holder by solderring a twin lead to the sides of the fuse holder and routing the wire back and behind the insulation under the floor mat and soldered a mini-fuse at the end.
Now if the fuse should fail I won't have to remove the instrument cluster to replace it, just lift the floor padding.
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Old 06-26-2001, 08:18 PM
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w124 instrument cluster removal (toolkit)

Hi,

Thanks for the earlier responses on the removal of the
instrument cluster on my 1989 w124 260E. I received
the dashboard service kit today and I need to know what
all the tools do! The kit came with 4 pairs of different
tools. See the image of the kit here:



I think that items 5 and 6 are used at the top right and
top left corners to push the clips away from the cluster.

I would like to know what the other tools do.

Thank you,

Jeff

[Edited by atombaum on 07-03-2001 at 01:52 PM]
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Old 06-26-2001, 09:18 PM
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From MB manual:

1. Remove speedometer cable from clips on cover under instrument panel, so that the cable can come along when the instrument cluster is pulled out.

2. Carefully introduce the pulling hook between padding and instrument cluster above vertical edge on instrument cluster and rotate. Pull out hook until it rests against detent.

3. Pull instrument cluster uniformly out on both sides, making sure that the speedometer cable slips into recess of cover for brake pedal, so that adequate length for removal is available.

4. Unscrew speedometer cable on speedometer and unplug wires.

Good luck

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Some of the tools, long wires are for ingition switch, others for releasing trim pieces, the hooks are what you are looking to use.
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Old 06-26-2001, 10:00 PM
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w124 instrument cluster removal

I hate to say it, but I just tried to remove the cluster,
and I had no luck. I would begin pulling with the hooks
in place but the hooks kept slipping out. Fortunately,
nothing was broken or scratched.

Any other tips, for example, the EXACT position of the
hooks when pulling it out? How about tips on technique?
I am a weekend mechanic at best.

I was trying to pull mainly from the lower portion of the
vertical sides, where there is a wider gap. It came out
maybe 10mm, then would not come any farther before the
hooks slipped.

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Try to get in at about 3:00 o'clock and 9:00 o'clock. Please (even though no one might agree) disconnect the speedo at the tranny and loosen the cable up as much as you can so you don't put a bend in it. Get tho hooks into those positions and exert a steady even pull. If the cluster has never been removed, it will not want to come easily. Be patient and you will get it free.
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Old 06-26-2001, 10:21 PM
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OK, I will try the 9 o-clock and 3 o-clock positions and
disconnect the cable. It has been removed before, but
always by the dealer (since I got it 2 years ago).
I will need more time to do the cable removal so I'll
probably try again at the weekend.

Thanks for the help.

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Old 06-27-2001, 12:33 AM
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The diagram in the MB manual shows the person pulling from the left side corner, mid way up, where it starts to curve to the right.

I would pull there, and the opposite side, same place.

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Take my advise or you'll probably be buying a new facia. Remove the bottom cover from the left side of the dash and push the cluster out from the bottom.. The tools you displayed are the V shaped and the straight with the loops are for ignition tumbler removal. The T handles are for assisting removal of the instrument cluster. The other two are for radio and climate control push button removal.
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Old 06-27-2001, 07:20 PM
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Got it out, no problems.

See this link for image of cluster and brief
description on how I got it out.



Thanks for the help,

Jeff

[Edited by atombaum on 07-03-2001 at 01:53 PM]
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Old 06-27-2001, 08:01 PM
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atomBOOOOM!

Brother of The Benz, autobaum
It's such a joy to read where a fellow Benz owner has learned from forum replies.
Your photo is excellent; it is as I suggested, but now I use finger pressure alone.
Does your cluster have the red capped bulb?
Good luck with your next project.
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Old 06-27-2001, 08:45 PM
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Two things to add...

#1 - by adding [img.] at the beginning and [/img.] (ignore the periods, had to put them so you could see the code) at the end of your picture links, the picture will show in your post. Kinda nice to be able to make reference to your pics while reading the post .

#2 - the reason behind disconnecting the speedo cable to twofold. It creates more slack, allowing the cluster to come out further for disconnecting the cable and wire connections. Secondly, if you over stress or stretch the cable, the speedo needle may begin jumping at low speeds or may not work at all.
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Old 06-27-2001, 08:52 PM
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No, I did not see the red capped "bulb" (fuse).
Which brings me to make an observation. In trying
to get help for this procedure, I heard a few different
cluster descriptions as though they were different
depending on year and possibly even model (260E v. 300E).
I had heard from a friend off this list that there
were supposed to be clips that the puller tool
engaged and then released. I had no such clips.

I was manily trying to track down a rattle noise.
I did not see anything in particular but made sure
connectors were tight. On the test drive, no rattle,
but that was the nature of this annoying thing. It
did not always do it. At least now I know how to
change bulbs.

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