Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support > Tech Help

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-29-2003, 11:07 AM
ebennz's Avatar
Fire/Medic
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Hurricane, West Virginia
Posts: 878
rear main seal-revisited

i've searched the archives, but still have a few questions...

if the rear main is leaking [a little bit] can the car still be used?

is it UNWISE to drive and use in this condition?

will the leaking eventually cause a problem with torque converter or transmission?

would having the head redone make it easier to replace this rear main?

i may just bite the bullet and have head redone, alternator replaced, and rear main seal done at once since these are [probably] the next to die on a m103 with 146k on it?

opinions?

thanks

peter

__________________
*92 400e 124.034, SOLD

*92 300e 124.030, SOLD
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 07-29-2003, 11:18 AM
dtf dtf is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: South East CT
Posts: 874
More technical people will chime in but I think you can drive it while it is leaking - just keep an eye on the oil level. The rear main seal keeps the engine oil in the lower part of the engine and I don't think it should affect the transmission. Working on the head has nothing to do with the rear main seal (I think). Mine is currenlty leaking a little but it has not increased in almost 30,000 miles.
__________________
dtf
1994 E320 Wagon (Died @ 308,669 miles)
1995 E300 Diesel (228,000)
1999 E300 Turbodiesel ( died @ 255,000)
2006 Toyota Tundra SR5 AC 4X4 (115,000 miles) rusted frame - sold to chop shop
2011 Audi A4 Avant (165,000 miles) Seized engine - donated to Salvation Army
BMW 330 xi 6 speed manual (175,034 miles)
2014 E350 4Matic Wagon 128,000 miles
2018 Dodge Ram 21,000 miles
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07-29-2003, 11:29 AM
LarryBible
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Since it is an automatic, there is not a down side to a SMALL leak except for the mess. With a manual transmission you risk oil soaking the clutch disk.

On your car, unlike many MB's, the pan can be removed without removing the engine. This does make it feasible to replace the seal without removing the engine. After saying that, I now wonder if the M103/104 engines have a one piece rear main seal that would require removal of the transmission.

Maybe someone can chime in regarding whether these engines have a one piece or two piece seal.

Good luck,
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07-29-2003, 12:16 PM
engatwork's Avatar
busy
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Soperton, Ga. USA
Posts: 13,635
On the 104 engine you do have to remove the tranny to replace the rear main seal. I suspect the same is true on the 103 engine too.
__________________
Jim
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 07-29-2003, 01:21 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: North Central Kentucky
Posts: 1,069
Just pulled up the cd for my 201 body. On the 201 with the 103 engine, the rear main is ONE piece. Oh well! That said, if it isn't leaking too much, you can live with it. Just keep the oil level up and maybe figure out how fast it is leaking so you can watch for changes.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07-29-2003, 01:29 PM
blackmercedes's Avatar
Just a guy
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: St. Albert, Alberta, Canada
Posts: 3,492
I agree that this is not an urgent repair unless the leak becomes quite severe. As Larry pointed out, if you had a manny-tranny, thent he seal should be done right away to keep from oil soaking the clutch, but since you have an automatic, that is not an issue.

One of my 190E's had the rear main seal start weeping at about 180K and didn't get changed until the tranny came out for a rebuild at 400K.
__________________
John Shellenberg
1998 C230 "Black Betty" 240K

http://img31.exs.cx/img31/4050/tophat6.gif
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07-29-2003, 01:31 PM
jsmith's Avatar
Ronin
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: At Sea
Posts: 1,729
look up the TSB for the revised oil capacities. overfilling can cause main seal failures and the info on some of the user manuals was a bit on the high side. mine was weeping a bit when i got it. i followed the revised guideline and it has slowed to a negligible drop or two over the past two years...
__________________
joE
1993 300e-2.8
- gone now <sigh>
"Do not adjust your mind, it's reality that's malfunctioning"
http://banners.wunderground.com/bann...L/Key_West.gif
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 07-29-2003, 05:56 PM
blackmercedes's Avatar
Just a guy
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: St. Albert, Alberta, Canada
Posts: 3,492
Quote:
Originally posted by jsmith
overfilling can cause main seal failures and the info on some of the user manuals was a bit on the high side.
Yes, it can ruin both front and rear main seals. If the crankcase is overfilled, the oil is hit by the crank journals. It "bubbles" (the proper term is cavitation) and the oil/air "mixture" is highly abrasive. Anyone who boats knows the prop damage that can result if it cavitates.

Anyway, the cavitation will destroy the seals in a surprisingly short time. My dealer overfilled the C230 and it wrecked both main seals in no time. That was the last time they were allowed to change my oil, and since doing it myself, no problems.
__________________
John Shellenberg
1998 C230 "Black Betty" 240K

http://img31.exs.cx/img31/4050/tophat6.gif
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 07-30-2003, 07:35 AM
LarryBible
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
So, it sounds like this engine has a one piece seal. Actually that makes it easier to replace the seal than if it were a two piece in a 123 which requires pulling the engine.

In most cases it is quicker to pull the transmission than it is to pull the engine. Since the 124, however, could be changed if it were two piece since the pan will come off without pulling the engine, then it may be a wash.

Good luck,

Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:45 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2018 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page