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Old 08-15-2003, 08:10 PM
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Another 722.6 bites the dust?

Well, it's a bit of a mystery to me. On rare occasions my car will have a slight hesitation when pulling away from a dead stop, and only when opening the throttle rapidly. This has stumped me, and since it is occasional, it of course has not done it for the dealer.

Today, it did it for the mechanic! Is that not miraculous in itself? Anyway, after several hours of consternation, they have decided it is a flaw in the transmission. I am surprised that after 147,000 kilometers (92,000 miles) the tranny is not right. These things usually fail at an early age if they are going to fail.

Here's the good news: Instead of taking the tranny apart and starting down some road to trying to solve a problem, they are simply going to replace the entire transmission and torque converter assemblies, all under my extended warranty. I think I just got much more than my $1300 back...

The bad news? Well, my early build 722.6 didn't have the durability I had hoped for. Hopefully the new unit will last at least as long...
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Old 08-15-2003, 08:58 PM
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Dear John:

I know you had very high expectation for your 1998 C230. Nevertheless, an auto transmission (from an expensive one!) that begins to show failure symptoms at only 92,000 miles is really pathetic. My 1994 c220 has a worn reverse clutch pack at 121,000 miles. Too much to say for the reliability for DCAG's recent cars.

I'm happy for you to have such a good dealer.

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Old 08-15-2003, 09:00 PM
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They'll probably have to replace the ETC as well.

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Old 08-15-2003, 09:40 PM
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BEWARE....

There is a common failure of the spring in the valve body that may fix the problem. If you are paying for this....HMMMMM

IF MB is paying, Well, I guess the new tranny is OK>
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Old 08-15-2003, 10:07 PM
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Yea Donnie I was going to say the same thing the control pressure spiring is probably broken.

Can't blame someone if they can get a updated rebuilt from an extended warrantee company, Good thing they don't read the internet. A lot to be said about the process that sticks even an insurance company with a 4-5k bill because the repair people can't fix a $3 spring.
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Old 08-15-2003, 10:15 PM
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My car has the factory extended warranty to 160,000 kilometers (100K-miles) and the tranny is covered under that warranty. The dealer explained something about not wanting to attempt a repair when they could "simply" put in a whole new transmission.

I have found the Mercedes Signature Warranty pretty simple. The dealer says "fix it" and it gets fixed.
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Old 08-15-2003, 10:33 PM
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Due to all the modifications they made to that trans it is brobably fair that they give everyone one.

Unfortunately their lack of ability to repair such problems is one of the big reasons car repairs are so costly. If a dealer won't fix such problems why would an independent.
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Old 08-15-2003, 10:46 PM
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Due to all the modifications they made to that trans it is brobably fair that they give everyone one.

Unfortunately their lack of ability to repair such problems is one of the big reasons car repairs are so costly. If a dealer won't fix such problems why would an independent.
I agree with the last paragraph. Why would someone try to fix the 722.6? An indie shop might be presented with an ailing car, but the dealer diagnosis might already have been sought, and "replace" instead of "repair" was the prescription. Here, the tranny is $5K and the associated parts (converter, etc) and labour are another $2K or so. $7000? I've owned lots of cars that cost less than that figure! I'm not sure what I would do if I didn't have the warranty. Could I find someone to fix it? Maybe not. Expertise is in short supply, and that's not unique to Mercedes-Benz. Honda, Toyota, etc are all incredibly complex now, and I suspect few techs every try to repair problems.
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Old 08-15-2003, 11:02 PM
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john, sorry to hear about the prob.
yes, seems $1300 was good invest, especially if in CAD $.

what will they install? MB new? MB rebuilt? junkyard dog?

you bought the 230 new, right?
same 5-speed auto-box as used on 230 komp?

the figure ive always heard here in ATL is $2500 for "mr MB" to fix the box, plus all associated labor. mr MB wont touch the car, only the box.
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Old 08-16-2003, 12:25 AM
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New MB unit. Four weeks from Germany.
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Old 08-17-2003, 09:43 AM
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What scares me most about this growing attitude to replace rather than fix is the growing concept of the disposable car. Peoples concept of "owning" a car has changed.

I had a similar event occur to me in the last week. A fellow BMW Tech Group shop owner from Virginia told his vacationing customer to give me a call.

The car was at the dealer in Orlando and the verdict was a $7200 rebuilt tranny. The car was a 95 540i with the 5HP30 trans. The value of the car is only optomistically twice as much as the repair.

Because of my participation in that tech group we have fixed a number of those pattern reverse gear failures. In the final repair the defective part wasn't even itemized as it is so inconsequential. The problem on that unit is that the plastic reverse check ball, while not checking, rattles around its rough cast aluminum chamber till it whittles itself so small it passes through the hole in the intermediate plate.

Due to the fact that the customer was from far away I wound up driving the car 75 miles before we proclaimed it fixed including a 30 mile high speed run up and down I-75. WE probably had as much time in the checking and testing as we did the repair.

With $200 worth of "Golden" BMW fluid and a 100 mile tow, a fifter and some gaskets the bill was right at a grand.

So far so good, but not many shops will do it that way. My friend in Virginia doesn't. The car had 140k on it. If it has another failure soon the value of this repair may be gone. The total equation is complicated, but with dealers not fixing these simple problems cars like that become worthless.

Who can buy a 10-15k car with the risk that tomorrow it will need a 7k repair?
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