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Old 09-02-2003, 01:35 PM
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My shop is still undergoing a lengthy remodel....the only car I've had a chance to use the stands on is the Mini Cooper. I've sold quite a few to BMW M5 owners and their car is similar to the MB and a little heavier than my E55. Steve
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Old 09-02-2003, 01:50 PM
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Wood block splitting wouldn't be a serious concern if it was made thinner, say standing no higher that 1/4" above the metal vee.
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Old 09-02-2003, 02:24 PM
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Hi,
I read the previous posts, but I still have some questions:
1. What is the safest points to lift the car (124) with the floor jack like the blue one in the picture... I need to know where it is safe for the front and the rear or the side of the car...I need to raise the car and put the stands without using MRBZ tricky jack...

2. Where jack stands could be placed, other than under the rubber support

3. When raising one side of the car (left or right), how far it is safe without affecting the car

4. If I need to raise the whole car (4 jack stands) what is the sequence rear first or front first, I assume front first since there is bigger load.

5. what are the precautions to prevent the car from slipping from the jack point. The jack can slip from the rubber...may be there are other jack support points safer than that..

I appreciate any help,
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Old 09-02-2003, 05:05 PM
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I bet the wood would not split if you were to drive some screws into it, about two on each of four sides, and then wrap it all up in genuine Mercedes Brand Duct tape and attach it to the jackstands. It might even stop making unsteady creaking sounds.

I have been known to use FOUR jackstands, to avoid the chest crushing problem.

One pair is black and has a flat head with a sort of corrugated head. I got them in a yard sale for $5.00. The other pair is red and cost $7.00 in a different yard sale. I have a heavy pair of wood blocks I paid a buck for as possible back-up stands. They have showed no signs of splitting in the past ten years. I also have a formerly red set of ramps, that set me back $4.00, plus a half a buck for half a can of aluminum spraypaint.

Both pairs of my jackstands claim to be good for up to 3000 lbs each, and my car weighs 3600, so I use two and I can't see how there would be a problem.

Of course, I realize that this disqualifies me from the DIY Concours d'Elegance at Pebble Beach, perhaps forever.
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Old 09-02-2003, 06:07 PM
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Richard, agh, it's worse than I thought... please don't tell me you use (gulp) YELLOW mustard on your brats! The extra jack stands is a good idea, by the way.

toknow, sorry to hijack your thread.

I don't know where you'd jack the whole side of the car up, or why you'd want to.

For the front, I use the beam that's directly in line with the front wheels. It's also the only scrap of metal showing if you have an engine cover like mine, so presumably that's what MB wants us to use.
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Old 09-02-2003, 06:07 PM
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For the rear, I use the differential. Note that my jack has a rubber pad in the head, I probably wouldn't want to do this with straight metal-to-metal contact.
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Old 09-02-2003, 06:07 PM
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For jacking up both ends, unless you need all the wheels off, I would feel safer using ramps for one set of wheels and jack up the other end. One less possibility for tipping over. I have and really like the Rhino Ramps. Make sure you don't have any rolling-off-the-ramp slope issues if you do this.

If you're jacking both ends, I'm not sure it matters which you do first. Your idea about the front first being heavier makes some sense, and I guess I'd do the front first anyway so the rear parking brake could be set while you do the front jacking.

I'd jack the front and put on stands. Then jack the rear and put on stands.

Then go to the front AGAIN and jack it up just slightly, as the front stands have likely shifted a bit when you jacked the rear. Reposition the front stands to be perfectly centered.

Then get on under there and hope there isn't an earthquake while you're working. If you can leave the jack in place without it getting in your way that would probably be a good idea too.

Just my (in)expert opinions. Don't sue me when you're crushed like a writhing cockroach below das German steel...
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Old 09-02-2003, 06:12 PM
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ultgar, ah-ha!! So you do need a review of these stands on a Benz!

I gave it a little more thought, and it would be pretty easy to make a little metal disk with a shaft that would just drop in and replace the rubber pad on your stands if needed. That way no extra deflection when using the MB jackpoint pads.

So do you want to take me up on my very generous offer? A free pair of evaluation stands for a (hopefully) glowing review, replete with detailed photos? Or maybe free shipping at least?
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Old 09-02-2003, 06:35 PM
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Nice try Benzwood....next you'll want a free jackplate for the 124 that inserts in the rocker panel to lift the car with your floor jack (yes...I know that's not a BMW but my E class uses the same type of insert for the factory jack






My garage workshop pictured below has been totally torn apart...I promise I'll take some good pics of both the E-class and ML on the stands so you can see the deflection if any to the pads on the jackstands.

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Old 09-02-2003, 06:55 PM
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Awww man, now you're just showin' off. Nice shop! By the way, do you also import and/or have you tried the AC Hydraulic Autolift?

That jack hole gizmo is cool, and reminds me... someone (here?) had made some rods out of thickwall pipe, bent slightly, so that when inserted into the jacking holes they stick out horizontally. They can then be cradled nicely in a saddle-type jack stand.

Kind of a slick solution other than having to pop the hole covers off all the time and maybe wearing them out. But I'm not sure I'd be completely comfortable with it as the stand isn't directly under the load. I don't know if it'd be more or less susceptible to shifting, but either way if the pipe snaps, yer a goner.
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Old 09-02-2003, 08:30 PM
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I love the AC Hydraulics jacks and sell them through my business....see http://www.ultimategarage.com/acjacks.html . I'm not crazy about their low rise lift....there are much better ones on the market that allow full undercar access like the Nussbaum show below.



The twin piston design eliminates the crossovers between the lift platforms and you can easily do an exhaust or clutch replacement with this. Its also portable, even at a hefty 1200 lbs.

I own a business that specializes in the design and outfitting of high end garages and workshops....I'm always looking for new, quality tools and equipment to use in my projects.
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Old 09-02-2003, 11:06 PM
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ultgar, Benzwood, I am amazed, overwhelmed and humbled at the evolution of this thread.

I just wanted to know how to safely jack my E320, but I gotten so, so much more. Now I'm looking for ways to justify buying some of those impressive jack stands. I've also been inspired to remodel my garage.
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Old 09-03-2003, 09:13 AM
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I can give you some photo hints on how to remodel your garage from this



to this.....







........but that probably best discussed in a separate thread. SD
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Old 09-03-2003, 11:01 AM
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Hey, I'm not falling for those before and after shots.
The little 'apartment' in the back of the garage clearly changed as well...
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Old 09-03-2003, 12:37 PM
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csnow......here's the link with 14 pages of the photo details....see http://www.ultimategarage.com/UltGar2.htm . I've got to pull it back off the site at the end of the day. SD
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